Ride quality- Shamal, Neutron, Kysrium

[Ralph]

Originally Posted by r_mutt

A lil late to the party, but by my butt-o-meter, the Shamals felt a bit harsher than the steel spoked Zonda's. FWIW, if the aluminum spoked Shamal was superior to a steel Zonda, why does the Bora have steel spokes?

That's main reason I think Zonda's are Campy's best all around wheel set (for most uses).....and one of the cheapest....unless you are racing at the highest levels. Also like how my local wheel builder can fix them with off the shelf spokes (and a spoke cutter and threader) However....never broke a Zonda spoke.

[r_mutt]

agreed- i like the Zonda. I wish i could replace the aluminum spokes on my Shamal with steel ones.

[p nut]

Speaking of Zonda--they're on Wiggle for ~$350 (C17). Shamal is $750. Is the only difference between the two, the hubs and spokes? Rims are the same? (ones I'm looking at are not 2-way).

[r_mutt]

I believe that the rim is the same.

[huck*this]

Originally Posted by p nut

I'm not sure what size tires you're running, but I'm wondering how drastic of difference there is between the C15 and the wider C17. I'll mostly be using 700x25, probably.

Running a 25mm Corsa G+ couldn't really notice a definitive difference other than looking down and like how well it stretched out the Corsa G+ on the C17. Better cornering, maybe, but honestly just enjoyed the ride altogether. I mean it can't be a bad thing right? Seems to be the happy medium, technology advancement without the "should these wheels belong on a MTB look"

[rlanger]

Originally Posted by p nut

I'm not sure what size tires you're running, but I'm wondering how drastic of difference there is between the C15 and the wider C17. I'll mostly be using 700x25, probably.

For me the difference is quite noticeable using 25s on both rim sizes. Running C17 allows me to reduce tire pressure between 10 and 15 psi, which makes for a significantly more comfortable ride. And yes, cornering at high speeds feels much better to me as well.

Can't go back to C15.

[beeatnik]

^C15 and C17s are narrow rims by "modern" standards. Ride 29mm Rovals or 27mm Boyds and compare them to the Shamals. Anyhoo, this whole wide rim, mountain bike tire thing is getting out of hand (in terms of marketing hype). Shamals are Shamals.

[pdmtong]

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[pdmtong]

Originally Posted by beeatnik

^C15 and C17s are narrow rims by "modern" standards. Ride 29mm Rovals or 27mm Boyds and compare them to the Shamals. Anyhoo, this whole wide rim, mountain bike tire thing is getting out of hand (in terms of marketing hype). Shamals are Shamals.

sooooooooooo....C17 = placebo?

[beeatnik]

that and Campy being dumb (or smart!)