OT: VW cheating emissions on TDI vehicles - Page 7

SlackMan · #91 09-20-2015, 09:23 AM

I hope the following provides some useful information to help estimate how VW might handle warranty issues. It involves a somewhat similar situation with a series of Volvos (of which I owned one), albeit Volvo did not appear to have acted with intent to defraud EPA.

http://www.autosafety.org/1999-2002-...hrottle-module

alancw3 · #92 09-20-2015, 04:00 PM

damage control:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volksw...130056594.html

Louis · #93 09-20-2015, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by alancw3

damage control:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volksw...130056594.html

They're sorry they were caught is more like it, and now wishing they had done a better job disguising the naughty behaviour.

oldpotatoe · #94 09-20-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis

I sure hope so.

The other question will be whether or not there are any criminal charges are well. GM just payed a massive fine for the ignition stuff, but as far as I know, no criminal charges. Let's hope they can pin something on the VW guys.

Really? GM=VW...didn't know anybody died because VWs emission gig.

Oh, nobody did.

Louis · #95 09-20-2015, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Really? GM=VW...didn't know anybody died because VWs emission gig.

Oh, nobody did.

Just because someone doesn't die in a fiery crash doesn't mean that the additional pollution didn't do any damage.

oldpotatoe · #96 09-20-2015, 04:26 PM

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Just because someone doesn't die in a fiery crash doesn't mean that the additional pollution didn't do any damage.

Damage from death or alleged damage from some TDIs emission part? To equate the GM issues and these is 'misguided', regardless of how serious those relatively small numbers of TDIs might be and their impact might be to you.

Louis · #97 09-20-2015, 04:30 PM

Peter, I'm not sure what your point it.

GM should have had more than a just a fine.

VW should have more than just a fine.

Dustin · #98 09-20-2015, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis

Peter, I'm not sure what your point it.

GM should have had more than a just a fine.

VW should have more than just a fine.

Yes, as with so many financial institutions that paid only a fine without so much as acknowledging any wrongdoing.

Increasingly it seems that if the rule for normal people is "commit the crime and do the time," the rule for the powerful is only "do the crime and pay the fine."

Deux poids, deux mesures.

SlackMan · #99 09-20-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SlackMan

I hope the following provides some useful information to help estimate how VW might handle warranty issues. It involves a somewhat similar situation with a series of Volvos (of which I owned one), albeit Volvo did not appear to have acted with intent to defraud EPA.

http://www.autosafety.org/1999-2002-...hrottle-module

Sorry, my bad in linking to the wrong article. The punchline is that Volvo extended warranty to 10 years or 200,000 miles. I suspect that something similar could be agreed to in VW's situation.

old fat man · #**100** 09-20-2015, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis

Peter, I'm not sure what your point it.

GM should have had more than a just a fine.

VW should have more than just a fine.

He has no point, he has a biased opinion as a tdi owner. Same as his opinion on campy and hand built wheels.

I too have a biased opinion when I use or own something I really like. I have a biased opinion that mike zanconato makes the best steel bikes period.

Rada · #**101** 09-20-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustin

Yes, as with so many financial institutions that paid only a fine without so much as acknowledging any wrongdoing.

Deux poids, deux mesures.

Or get a bail out and a big bonus

oldpotatoe · #**102** 09-20-2015, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis

Peter, I'm not sure what your point it.

GM should have had more than a just a fine.

VW should have more than just a fine.

My point is the GM case that involved people getting killed is not the same as this about emissions equipment. One is heinous, the other isn't, imho.

Louis · #**103** 09-20-2015, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

My point is the GM case that involved people getting killed is not the same as this about emissions equipment. One is heinous, the other isn't, imho.

True, and both need to be punished appropriately.

oldpotatoe · #**104** 09-20-2015, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by old fat man

He has no point, he has a biased opinion as a tdi owner. Same as his opinion on campy and hand built wheels.

I too have a biased opinion when I use or own something I really like. I have a biased opinion that mike zanconato makes the best steel bikes period.

You are right about
-love my TDI...hopefully my last car
-I would rather walk than use Shimano and certainly never spam
-I will never own a 'wheelouttabox'..

christian · #**105** 09-20-2015, 06:42 PM

Will Winterkorn survive Monday? I give him until Wednesday because getting the VW board together will inexplicably take them two days. He was already damaged goods. He's definitely out this week.

I find it amazing how many people are willing to excuse deliberate fraud by a company to fail to comply with a federal statute. I like VWs but this should be punished severely. Laws only matter if deliberate breaking of them results in significant punishment.