Rawland Ravn (warning: 26" content)

[gomango]

Originally Posted by 559Rando

Just cause everyone's jumping off a bridge...

At $635, it's a low price but I thought we were comparing this to the published specs of the Ravn. If I wanted a touring bike I'd consider the Twin Six. But it wouldn't compare to the Ravn.

Similarly, the Fargo is a totally different beast than the NFE.


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Which Ravn?

It's a moving target that doesn't exist other than on Sean's website.

As for the Twin Six being a tourer, it doesn't come close for me.

I have a full on Bilenky tourer that I rode around most of Lake Superior this summer. Loaded to the rafters with bags. No way I would take the Twin Six on that trip.

But we are all getting wound up about a Rawlands bike that is unavailable.

Sean would be better off running a new batch of rsogns with a few tweaks.

[guido]

Originally Posted by R3awak3n

for a truer rando bike you can always go for a velo routier frame. Good price, low trail, canti bosses.


I just read their blog and they are testing this prototype:




Stainless steel low trail frame. Neat

Yes that is. Thanks for the pointer... I wonder when they will have it in production...

[R3awak3n]

And I wonder how much it will cost. Looks amazing, do wish it could take even bigger tires

[marciero]

Originally Posted by gomango

Hah, I'm on the stout side.

Happy to report back to everyone if I build this baby.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I can't imagine I will lose much sleep over the purchase.

We'll just have to see what happens.......

FWIW One of the fastest finishers at this years Almanzo 100 was on a single speed Cross Check, so let's not get carried away with criticisms. Don't like, don't buy it.

At least Twin Six got this to market place.

Dont get me wrong-my remarks werent meant as a criticism. This bike looks to be a very good value, esp. with the disk brakes. And regarding tubing- the light tubing people like may not be optimal for rough terrain

[marciero]

...and regarding the term "rando"-any bike can be used for randonneuring. It just needs to be comfortable over many hours in the saddle and perform reasonably well. For organized brevets, if it is less than 400k in fair weathe,r you dont need lights or fenders, and you dont have to carry much either since you can fuel at the controls.
That said, in my mind a bike marketed as a "randonneur bike" should have or accommodate lights, fenders, and small load-carrying capacity designed into the geometry, whether front or rear. It's just marketing otherwise.

[hokoman]

I am surprised people are still interested in buying a bike from them... I feel like it would be worth getting rogue bikes (seems like a great value) or someone else to build a bike... how many people want one? Seems like getting a builder to do a run would be relatively easy... if enough people put a deposit down, wouldn't it be easy enough for black mountain or Bruce Gordon place an order (I know they have done some small runs of frames from china)... just me thinking out loud.

[marciero]

Originally Posted by hokoman

I am surprised people are still interested in buying a bike from them... I feel like it would be worth getting rogue bikes (seems like a great value) or someone else to build a bike... how many people want one? Seems like getting a builder to do a run would be relatively easy... if enough people put a deposit down, wouldn't it be easy enough for black mountain or Bruce Gordon place an order (I know they have done some small runs of frames from china)... just me thinking out loud.

But this is exactly what Sean at Rawland was trying to do. Easier said than done I think.

[R3awak3n]

Its definitely not easy and it would be foolish of people to think Sean is not doing anything, I am sure the dude is working his ass off and this has brought stress in his life. I can only imagine what is like to deal with people that speak at different language and are a bunch of hours ahead of us. Sean looks like a great hard working guy and I am sure he is doing whatever he can.


I think are more mad about the lack of updates and level of involvment. Not matter what some people will be pissed but if they had been updated along the way I think a lot more people would have understood. Meanwhile there are now a bunch of deposits out and a bike that none of those people ordered.

[guido]

I got an email this morning the Rawland had processed my refund. That a fine turnaround time on the request over the weekend. I have no gripes with that at all.

Now i just need to find a builder who can build a 26" wheeled road bike frame with light standard tubing, low trail french curve fork and canti braze-ons in a reasonable period of time...

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by guido

I got an email this morning the Rawland had processed my refund. That a fine turnaround time on the request over the weekend. I have no gripes with that at all.

Now i just need to find a builder who can build a 26" wheeled road bike frame with light standard tubing and canti braze-ons in a reasonable period of time...

Aaron at AR?

[guido]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Aaron at AR?

Sorry I am not familiar with AR, can you enlighten me?

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by guido

Sorry I am not familiar with AR, can you enlighten me?

He is a member here. He has a thread in the frame builder section. Nice guy, good price and a short lead time.

[gomango]

Joel at Clockwork or AR are solid ideas.

[p nut]

Also, Lyon Sport seems to have good pricing. From what I have read, they seem to produce nice frames/forks.

http://lyonsport.com/frames-0

[guido]

Originally Posted by p nut

Also, Lyon Sport seems to have good pricing. From what I have read, they seem to produce nice frames/forks.

http://lyonsport.com/frames-0

Jeff does build wonderful frames. I'm strongly leaning that way...