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for gravel and mtb, i.e. tires 35+ mm or bigger, this is 100% a non issue
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Really you cant think of any ? Assuming done right
weight reduction aerodynamics comfort (mainly because you can reduce tire pressure) strength |
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Likewise. I've also sold a bazillion bikes with hookless rims and only had one issue, and that was in the very early days of the technology and the user installed a non-compatible tire. I've got 50k+ combined miles on various hookless wheels from Enve, Giant, and Cadex, 100% problem free.
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None of these are exclusively enabled by going to a hookless rim.
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So, I'm currently running "OTHR" wheels on my new Ritte bike, which seems to split the difference in an interesting way.
These wheels are advertised as having a "mini-hook." They require hookless-compatible tires (no clinchers!) but have additional safety margin. From the website: Quote:
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The hooks on those DTs look pretty tiny -- is that representative of how tiny the hooks are with the hooked TL rims out there?
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are you going to explain, or be dismissive?
Any of the things you mentioned - lighter weight, different profiles for aero benefits, wider profiles for lower tire pressures - can also be achieved with a hooked design on the rims. There isnt anything specifically that a hookless design, for a road bike with road bike tubeless tires, improves other than manufacturing cost. What am I missing? |
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Either BS or marginal gains; not worth risking your safety over.
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I bet the "mini hook" has increased manufacturing cost just like a full hook. After all it seems this is all about manufacturing really light carbon rims as cheaply as possible. Anything that adds another step to manufacturing is seemingly too expensive. I think the whole thing comes down to our own personal view of the benefits versus risk. Too often too many people act like their need for the benefits is the same as someone in contention for a world championship. There's a major dissonance between a pro riders union saying they think this is too unsafe for the benefits provided and then we have recreational riders or amateur racers saying the benefits are so important the risk is worth it. Personally I'm skeptical I'd even see any difference going all the way from hooked tubed alloy to hookless tubeless carbon. Maybe I'd feel a difference, but do I think it would actually make any speed difference in the real world, not really. Last edited by benb; 02-26-2024 at 09:22 AM. |
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My guess is that the vast majority of people who go into a bike shop and buy a complete bike dont really know the technology too well. Baron, do you tell your customers who you sell hookless wheels explicitly that they have hookless wheels and that they need to adhere to a certain pressure band and type of tire? Seems like when buying a complete bike that bit could get lost.
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If you're selling hookless do you need to give those riders a specific list of tire brands/models/sizes that they have to stick to in order to be safe and then they have a very specific pressure range they need to run? To me that is an unacceptable amount of precision to be safe with something that is really just for fun/fitness in the end.. |
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I did say 80% of the benefit is for the MFG.. but there is still some small benefit for the end user. It's up to you if they are important to you, but you dont get to decide that for...... me. |
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I dont know about the rest of everyone, but I'm just as grouchy about the way this is "sold" to us by the bike companies as I am the safety and compatibility issues created. Its not a benefit to the end user - just like PF30 or flat mount or any of the other things done to either reduce manufacturing costs or kick the can down the road to the component manufacturers. Bikes are still pretty ****ing amazing these days, even if they're getting it wrong sometimes. |
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Given how high end & expensive these wheels are I'd wonder if the # of riders on them is just too small for their to be enough accidents to end up taking them off the market. It might be the % of riders having issues would be high enough to get CPSC or someone else to take notice if these were super common and were going on millions of bikes, but since we're talking $2000+ wheelsets in a lot of cases the total # of accidents would fly under the radar.
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