Paint crack at BB lug Look KG281 or ???

Clean39T · #1 09-17-2017, 03:50 PM

I picked this up off the Bay primarily for the R10 group and wheels, planning to resell the frameset, post, HS, pedals as a group here on the cheap (in order to ride it myself I'd have to find a 3cm longer post).

But in the inspection, I found these flaws:

The chain catcher situation is obvious, but is that likely paint cracking or a joint problem?

It's otherwise in great shape with only minor chips here and there...but if those cracks kill the value, that's not cool.

echelon_john · #2 09-17-2017, 04:23 PM

100% return it.

Clean39T · #3 09-17-2017, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by echelon_john

100% return it.

That was my gut feeling. Such a shame. I was hoping it'd be a fun find and the group is flawless.

Clean39T · #4 09-17-2017, 09:10 PM

Hmm, have read some info saying the paint cracking at the lug junction is fairly normal. But the ripped off chain catcher isn't, and the seller should have shown/noted both in the ad (I'm getting really tired of buying anywhere other than here...).

If someone wants this for $300 shipped CONUS, it'd save me the eBay return hassle.

weisan · #5 09-17-2017, 09:45 PM

I have a 281 as well. 1999 Yours actually looks pretty good for a 18-year-old bike.

Clean39T · #6 09-17-2017, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by weisan

I have a 281 as well. 1999 Yours actually looks pretty good for a 18-year-old bike.

So the paint or whatever wouldn't bother you?

I didn't think I'd be able to find a 25x300 post, but they seem to exist, so I could put some miles in on this if structurally sound.

Dadoflam · #7 09-17-2017, 10:56 PM

Hi
Agree the movement in the lugs doesn't look too good but I might be able to help you here - I am building up a replica of Stuart O'Grady's Team Credit Agricole Team bike.
Wondering if you have the threaded steerer version fork with an adaptor there rather than the threadless HSC fork as I cant see the HSC decal (?)
I need the threaded steerer version for my project and if you have one there I would be willing to consider buying the whole frameset to get the fork if the frame is big enough.
Let me know what the fork is and what the frameset size is

ultraman6970 · #8 09-17-2017, 11:04 PM

BTW the small chainring is installed backwards?

Put some oil in there and see if it leaks inside, probably it wont. As for the chain catcher, looks like originally was glued? makes sense and there is a chance the seller did not even know about it either. Seen a few of those 281 at ebay being sold with the same like paint issue in the BB. Carbon was different back in the day too.. and if that thing is cracked it would be creaking like crazy, doubt it is.

BMC had a similar problem in a couple of frames, one was the high end one and in like 2007 road racer, THe good thing for BMC was that the joint was flush and they issued a statement showing that was not a crack, with the road racer well they swapped a bunch of frames in perfect condition.

op. you can just ask for a 100 or 200 back and call it a day? then flip for almost nothing here??

Clean39T · #9 09-17-2017, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadoflam

Hi
Agree the movement in the lugs doesn't look too good but I might be able to help you here - I am building up a replica of Stuart O'Grady's Team Credit Agricole Team bike.
Wondering if you have the threaded steerer version fork with an adaptor there rather than the threadless HSC fork as I cant see the HSC decal (?)
I need the threaded steerer version for my project and if you have one there I would be willing to consider buying the whole frameset to get the fork if the frame is big enough.
Let me know what the fork is and what the frameset size is

It's threadless and fully carbon - which I think means it's the HSC.

Do you already have the Ergo-post?

Clean39T · #10 09-17-2017, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ultraman6970

BTW the small chainring is installed backwards?

Put some oil in there and see if it leaks inside, probably it wont. As for the chain catcher, looks like originally was glued? makes sense and there is a chance the seller did not even know about it either. Seen a few of those 281 at ebay being sold with the same like paint issue in the BB. Carbon was different back in the day too.. and if that thing is cracked it would be creaking like crazy, doubt it is.

BMC had a similar problem in a couple of frames, one was the high end one and in like 2007 road racer, THe good thing for BMC was that the joint was flush and they issued a statement showing that was not a crack, with the road racer well they swapped a bunch of frames in perfect condition.

op. you can just ask for a 100 or 200 back and call it a day? then flip for almost nothing here??

Thank you for the info. I'm trying to settle it with the seller. I'd be fine getting some money back and passing this on to someone else with a "full disclosure" on the paint/hanger, etc. The group and wheels are in fantastic condition. As is the headset and pretty much everything else. It's really cool to see what the tech was like on these back in the day. Are these really alloy lugs though? The paint is chipped around the seatpost insertion a bit, and it looks like all carbon up there...

ultraman6970 · #11 09-17-2017, 11:29 PM

Sent you an email with an idea... just trying to manipulate you hehehehe

From what I know, yes those are alloy lugs, that's why the bike is not super light either, easier to built than monocoque too, if you want to go custom just cut to fit and good to go

Oh you see black in the seatpost lug, by best guess is that probably look anodized or threated the lugs with another material on top to avoid contact between AL and carbon??? Colnago had nighmares when the c40s started getting problems due to AL oxidation...