Anyone riding the new 105 11-speed grouppo?

[saab2000]

105 has, for a couple decades now, represented the best value bike components available. 11-speed is here to stay (until 12-speed comes along..... ) and I'm betting that in a blind test there's no practical difference between 105 and Dura Ace.

If I could think of a place to install it, I'd buy a group of this stuff.

[beeatnik]

Originally Posted by Tihsepa

I don't but the stiffness argument. I don't think 99% of people can tell the difference.

6800 are stiffer than 9000. 5800 is probably as stiff or stiffer than 6800. For under $150 it's a selling point, IMO.

https://fairwheelbikes.com/c/reviews...crank-testing/

[MaraudingWalrus]

Have ridden several bikes with 11sp 105. It's quite fantastic. Infinitely better than the previous iteration of 105. No longer feels clunky and unpleasant. Really a testament to Shimano trickling down their tech to lower stuff.
There's really not a HUGE difference between it and the nicer stuff like their used to be in terms of anything besides weight and cost.

[rccardr]

Not really, OP. All that black blends together in my craptastic photography. There's plenty of free movement there.

It's just one of them optical delusions.

[dk2ck]

I want to build a new bike so I can put silver 105 on it. Does anyone know if the cables for the new 105 are the same as the Ultegra 6800 cables/where to purchase them? And are these polymer coated cables compatible with the 10-speed groups?

[CiclistiCliff]

Originally Posted by saab2000

105 has, for a couple decades now, represented the best value bike components available. 11-speed is here to stay (until 12-speed comes along..... ) and I'm betting that in a blind test there's no practical difference between 105 and Dura Ace.

If I could think of a place to install it, I'd buy a group of this stuff.

I can assure you Dura Ace is 100000000x times crisper than 105 in feel, and it comes in that droolworthy machined/black finish.

But yeah, give me some Ultegra levers and the rest 105 and I'll be a happy kid.

At the shop we now joke that Ultegra is obsolete and 105 and Dura Ace are the only groups that matter, shimano wise.

[ultraman6970]

SOmehow that's true, probably shimano shouldnt have moved 105 to 11 speed to keep it where it belongs because if its as nice as you guys say will happen the same than happened to campagnolo when was sharing all the insides of the levers all the way form the low end to the top. Specially racers were racing in the low end stuff, no need for the top stuff.

[beeatnik]

Originally Posted by motorbacon

I can assure you Dura Ace is 100000000x times crisper than 105 in feel, and it comes in that droolworthy machined/black finish.

It's not. There's zero quantifiable difference in shift performance.

Perfectly adjusted SRAM Rival does not feel or shift as crisply as perfectly adjusted Red.

Perfectly adjusted Athena does not feel or shift as crisply as perfectly adjusted Super Record.

The differences between 105 and Dura Ace are in weight, price and finish (not insubstantial, mind you), but not in shifting performance or feel.

[Cicli]

Originally Posted by motorbacon

I can assure you Dura Ace is 100000000x times crisper than 105 in feel, and it comes in that droolworthy machined/black finish.

Uh, no. Better? Maybe. Better that makes any real world difference? No.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by motorbacon

I can assure you Dura Ace is 100000000x times crisper than 105 in feel, and it comes in that droolworthy machined/black finish.

But yeah, give me some Ultegra levers and the rest 105 and I'll be a happy kid.

At the shop we now joke that Ultegra is obsolete and 105 and Dura Ace are the only groups that matter, shimano wise.

Probably not more than about 9870000x--not true either...The innards and rest is the same design. Materials makes it different. Considering the $ of 5800, 6800 and 9000, gotta wonder why DA is so expensive. Methinks it is cuz they can. I suspect shimano is making some good $ on 9000...looking at some 9000 OE bikes, it's as if the frame or the group, is almost free.

But performance? ala SR/Record/Chorus..samo-

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Probably not more than about 9870000x...The innards and rest is the same design. Materials makes it different. Considering the $ of 5800, 6800 and 9000, gotta wonder why DA is so expensive. Methinks it is cuz they can. I suspect shimano is making some good $ on 9000...looking at some 9000 OE bikes, it's as if the frame or the group, is almost free.

Because people like me are vain..... That's why they make it!

If I were less vain I'd ride 5800 and be totally happy. I can't believe there's much tactile difference, if any, in the shifting. The 105 stuff I've seen in the past felt essentially the same, just like the various levels of Campagnolo.

[peanutgallery]

For 2015 it's my main ride, but for the money why not. Just a bit heavy.
On the mtb side it will be slx, got 2 new drive train kits for next to nothing.

Shimano has brought some great stuff to market that doesnt break the bank, must have slipped up. Personally, we should thank England

[Gummee]

Originally Posted by saab2000

Because people like me are vain..... That's why they make it!

If I were less vain I'd ride 5800 and be totally happy. I can't believe there's much tactile difference, if any, in the shifting. The 105 stuff I've seen in the past felt essentially the same, just like the various levels of Campagnolo.

I have 2 bikes with 9k shifters on all Ultegra builds, 1 bike with all Ultegra, and one bike with Ultegra shifters on a mix of 9k and Ultegra.

Only difference I can feel is that when I'm lazy/tired I'll miss a few more inner paddle shifts with the Ultegra. Otherwise? Minimal differences. I seem to be pulling the inner paddle in a bit, causing it to mis-shift.

YMMV

M

[redir]

Can you put 11-speed cassettes on older 9 and 10 speed hubs? Like 7700 for example? Or would I have to get all new wheels? I'm looking at a new C'Dale for this spring and the price diff between 105 and Ultegra is huge. I've had 105 10-speed on my cross bike for the last 5 years and it works just as good as my Dura Ace road stuff.

[peanutgallery]

You can, if you leave a cog out and go ten speed

Best solution, mavic wheels you may have laying around (or any other that requires a spacer behind the cassette). Slap on the cassette (check that, install with care and love) and away you go. I happened to have a new rim laying around so I bought a gold 11 speed hub from the bikehubstore.com and away I went. Said hub may have come with a cologne sample and a silk shirt with animal print. Just maybe

Originally Posted by redir

Can you put 11-speed cassettes on older 9 and 10 speed hubs? Like 7700 for example? Or would I have to get all new wheels? I'm looking at a new C'Dale for this spring and the price diff between 105 and Ultegra is huge. I've had 105 10-speed on my cross bike for the last 5 years and it works just as good as my Dura Ace road stuff.