Mis-aligned logo

[christian]

Alternately, you could do this, reading Sheldon Brown's description of how to lace a 3x wheel:

Turn the wheel back around so that the freewheel side is toward you. Insert a spoke into any hole, but this time from the inside of the flange. Twist the hub clockwise as far as it will conveniently go. Since we are building a cross 3 wheel, this new spoke will cross 3 trailing spokes that go to the same flange of the hub. (My underlining.)

If wss is a body builder, perhaps what was convenient for him wasn't convenient for the hub? But I actually don't think you can get that much torque from your hand onto a hub that is laced by not tensioned.

(This post is a bit of a joke)

[wss]

Rim is laced correctly. I followed Sheldon Browns write up.
Messed up somewhere though.
Will be taking the wheel to a LBS to have the spoke tension checked before I take the rim apart. Curious to see the tension I put the spokes at.
When I noticed the logo I thought it was twisted. The one 25 mile ride I did on it was uneventful, but I was often thinking, if the hub failed I'll be hurting.

[christian]

Take a picture of the full wheel.

[unterhausen]

assuming the spokes are clocked, the wheel will appear to be properly laced. There will probably be a weird offset between the spokeholes on the two flanges. Normally, the spoke holes are halfway between the ones on the opposite flange

[wss]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

...
...Are the spoke holes alternating as well, left to right or lined up with opposite side hole?

Only other rim I built before this was a A23 rim + rear 4500 Shimano hub.
This was a DT RR 440 rim. The spoke offset, from nd to ds holes seem, to my eyes, be drilled closer to the centerline than on an A23.
Looking at the inside channel (these are tubeless ready rims) I had to really look closely to see the offset.
Checked the spokes from the key spoke and all are alternating correctly.

Even with the twisted hub the rim is very true in both directions.

[wss]

Originally Posted by unterhausen

... Normally, the spoke holes are halfway between the ones on the opposite flange

They were before the twist.

[wss]

Originally Posted by Grant McLean

....

I think something else is going on, perhaps someone did cut out the
spokes on the hub of a previous build, and damaged it once already
Tensioned from a normal lacing job.

Hub was never laced, New Old stock.

[seanile]

Originally Posted by christian

Take a picture of the full wheel.

^

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by wss

Only other rim I built before this was a A23 rim + rear 4500 Shimano hub.
This was a DT RR 440 rim. The spoke offset, from nd to ds holes seem, to my eyes, be drilled closer to the centerline than on an A23.
Looking at the inside channel (these are tubeless ready rims) I had to really look closely to see the offset.
Checked the spokes from the key spoke and all are alternating correctly.

Even with the twisted hub the rim is very true in both directions.

I meant the holes on the hub..if twisted, they would be more lined up..maybe just a poor labeling by shimano??

[unterhausen]

there is a discoloration at the center of the hub that corresponds to the shift in the logo. Appears to be cracking of the anodizing. A lot of things going on when you are building a wheel, it wouldn't surprise me that someone who doesn't build wheels all the time would do this.

There would be nothing about the finished wheel that would appear off other than the hub

[dawgie]

Wow! You learn something new every day. I had no idea it was possible to twist a hub out of shape.

[mktng]

I'm with dawgie. This is a first for me. I'll have to go home and check my hubs!

[ericssonboi]

Twisted hubs. Woww.. i'm going home after work and looking at all my logos also..

[Grant McLean]

Originally Posted by unterhausen

assuming the spokes are clocked, the wheel will appear to be properly laced. There will probably be a weird offset between the spokeholes on the two flanges. Normally, the spoke holes are halfway between the ones on the opposite flange

This must be the explanation. Given just the small amount the front shell appears
rotated, if the wheel is now built with reasonable tension and is true,
the holes in one of the flanges must not have been drilled with the correct
orientation to the opposite side. That could be enough to have only a little
effect on the spoke length that the builder didn't notice it during tensioning.

-g

[Hindmost]

This thread has been like one of those "locked-door" murder mysteries.