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How do you want to balance individual freedoms against responsibilities as a member of society. A lot of people right now in the US are doing the equivalent of yelling Fire! in a crowded theatre. But maybe more importantly, the police are still largely respected in Japan. In general, people probably have more respect for one another. Ih the US, if you don't respect your fellow citizens, well I guess everything breaks down. But I digress. Last edited by verticaldoug; 03-06-2024 at 01:31 PM. |
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No, it doesn't. But, you can't simply point to Japan and declare that their implementation of harsh drunk driving penalties would work in the U.S., because their legal system differs from the U.S. legal system in important ways, and the two cultures differ in important ways.
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There's just not enough traffic police to catch all the drunk drivers on our roads. The current penalties are punitive enough if you get caught, it's just that you probably won't be caught.
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And for a plain-old DUI, it's a few months of restricted driving (not suspended - you can usually still drive to work), no jail, and maybe a few AA meetings. |
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The problem with adding more punitive punishments is that they don't work well as a deterrent. Drunk people aren't that great about thinking about their future. |
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Sure, but we also fail to mandate treatment beyond a few months of AA, nor do we require longer term check-ins/verification that the problem is fixed.
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There's no right to operate motor vehicles so how does that really make increased punishments for any kind of motor vehicle related crime unconsititutional?
Cutting up your license for the rest of your life does not deprive you of the right to travel. Lack of deterrence seems relevant, but so much of the public breaks the rules so often driving a motor vehicle (including elected officials) I think it would just be a revolt if even basic things like speeding started getting enforced en mass. It would be even harder to put harsher punishments in place. Even if we got rid of the BS where almost all tickets are reduced or dropped if you just contest them in court that'd go a long way. Last edited by benb; 03-06-2024 at 02:43 PM. |
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No one made the claim that increased punishments were unconstitutional.
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Was it relevant at all to reducing the # of cyclists killed by drivers who then get light penalties? |
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No, I didn't imply it. Yes, I did explain it:
"You can't simply point to Japan and declare that their implementation of harsh drunk driving penalties would work in the U.S., because their legal system differs from the U.S. legal system in important ways, and the two cultures differ in important ways." |
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No, but we do mandate installing a breath-activated ignition locking device in your car in many cases.
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Typically only short-term, same as the restricted license. If a person is an alcoholic and prone to DUI, this isn't terribly useful - they have an illness that needs treatment.
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Does the penalty of a crime go down as one ages? The question is should a 25 year old get 10 years and an 80 year old 1 year for the same crime? Do 100 year old's get immunity? On some level I get it but the guy killed someone who had their whole life ahead of him, a life this guy already lived. Not very fair.
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A relatively local to me story about how things work in the US
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/dri...l-hit-and-run/ “A driver with multiple convictions for driving under the influence struck and killed a pedestrian before leading Orange County authorities in a chase on Tuesday, according to police.” |
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smh
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