Della Santa Ossobuco Road Bike (built 2013) 56cm seattube with rear stays with holes

[alessandro]

Originally Posted by 93legendti

Maybe you should learn about "less is more"?

"Less is a bore."
--Robert Venturi

[avalonracing]

Originally Posted by 93legendti

(His pattern on the holes seems off, as the 3-2-3-3 pattern is not pleasing to my eye. If you have to do it, at least make it a symmetrical pattern, or each hole unique and descending in size.)

That pattern obviously causes visual tension for you. There is art in that.

And as one of my design professors in college once said, "Symmetry sucks."

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by 93legendti

(His pattern on the holes seems off, as the 3-2-3-3 pattern is not pleasing to my eye. If you have to do it, at least make it a symmetrical pattern, or each hole unique and descending in size.)

Dave Kirk bending stays to improve performance and comfort moves me. Drilling holes to then add stiffeners/metal to make up for the holes, because they are "cool" or hard to do, does not move me. The fact it might take a lot of skill means even less to me. Nakashima wouldn't have been impressed, nor would Ellsworth Kelly, Katz or Motherwell.

Maybe you should learn about "less is more"?

Again, ymmv. If you love holes, I am happy for you. If people who buy his bikes love the holes, I am happy for them.

Hopefully, expressing my opinion about DS's "art" doesn't bother you too much.

There's a fourth hole in the largest group. Hidden by the crank spider and the wheel in my photo.

And while those particular builders might not approve, it certainly tickled Faliero Masi's fancy. He knew a thing or two about frames. Was the inspiration for Roland's application. Though the slots had a tendency to crack. Roland sought a way to get the same cool effect without the breakage.



http://www.eroicacicli.com/tag/masi-...d-chain-stays/

[mcteague]

I just think of how hard it will be to clean out the accumulated road grime and such from all those holes. Seems pointless to me.

Tim

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by bfd

Yes, Della Santa says this treatment is something like 20g heavier than regular chainstays, but doesn't it look cool!

Yup

[wallymann]

Originally Posted by mcteague

I just think of how hard it will be to clean out the accumulated road grime and such from all those holes. Seems pointless to me.

Tim

and then we have colnagos somewhat modern re-interpretation in plastic. and, yes, the holes do tend to accumulate a little grime. and, yes, they're very cool too! :-)

[downtube]

Originally Posted by wallymann

and then we have colnagos somewhat modern re-interpretation in plastic. and, yes, the holes do tend to accumulate a little grime. and, yes, they're very cool too! :-)

Once again, this was created by a Master of bicycle design. I own a C40 HP also, it's a fantastic bike with an unbelievable ride. I feel very lucky that the 2 bikes I own C40 and Della Santa have creators that are also artists. Oh and by the way, they are both awesome bikes to ride. Form and function living together.

chuck

[Black Dog]

Originally Posted by 93legendti

Adds work. Adds weight. Doesn't improve performance or ride quality in a noticeable way. Reminds me of drillium days. Ymmv.

So does paint.

[tiretrax]

I hope your dad had the good sense to build out of the floodplain.

Originally Posted by 93legendti

I collect art. I am familiar with the "concept". You might also consider that art is not supposed to appeal to everyone. Holes in chainstays do not appeal to me. I don't even consider his holed chainstays to be art. I consider them to be a waste of time.

Frank Lloyd Wright would probably love the holes. Mies van der Rohe wouldn't.

I will take Dave Kirk 's Terraplane stays or Tom Kellogg's steel work. Ymmv.

If the holes appeal to you, that's swell.

I grew up in a house similar to this

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwi...lano_USA_9.jpg

but, adapted by my Father to accommodate his architectural vision- more glass, less partitions, more wood, large front and back wood decks, a full basement which was partially above ground, large basement windows...Some see a box. Some see a sublime design and execution, the purpose of which was to maximize space, access, light and comfort. A 2000 sq ft home that felt like 3,000 sq ft... ymmv.

[fuzzalow]

Originally Posted by 93legendti

Adds work. Adds weight. Doesn't improve performance or ride quality in a noticeable way. Reminds me of drillium days. Ymmv.

You don't like Ossobuco chainstays. I can respect that and I'd even suggest that it is unneccessary and superfluous to even have to elaborate as to why you feel that way. But it does make for a more interesting discussion if you do indeed go into details. We want to keep thing things interesting, right?

I find amusing the juxtaposition of left-brained responses to what I view as a right-brained impulse on the part of Roland in creating the Ossobuco aesthetic. Sometimes we see things and maybe it is better to just let it flow.

[drewellison]

I've seen this chainstay treatment on some Masis too. I've always wondered, is any wind noise an issue at certain speeds?
Drew

[firerescuefin]

Flash's DS is in my top 5 of aesthetically favorite bikes on the forum....

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpo...3&postcount=48

So yeah... I'm digging them.

[cnighbor1]

Once riding in downtown San Francisco trying to avoid the street cars tracks I saw a messenger delivery person that had sun lite coming thru his frame. So being careful not to hit one of those nasty tracks lengthwise I caught up to him and saw he had drilled large Holes in the frame of his bicycle. Why? My guess was to same weight. And that is why I ask about Della Santa drilled rear stays.
I for one like them
Charles

[moose8]

This totally makes me want to buy a Della Santa. I think they look great.

[ronlau]

Anyone around Bay Area are welcome to see mine in person, just ping me.

Originally Posted by cnighbor1

Once riding in downtown San Francisco trying to avoid the street cars tracks I saw a messenger delivery person that had sun lite coming thru his frame. So being careful not to hit one of those nasty tracks lengthwise I caught up to him and saw he had drilled large Holes in the frame of his bicycle. Why? My guess was to same weight. And that is why I ask about Della Santa drilled rear stays.
I for one like them
Charles