Baking soda doping

[stephenmarklay]

Originally Posted by MattTuck

One small aside to all of this.

I've heard that modern diets are extremely acidic. Some folks have even said that the reason we have so much heart burn and acid reflux medicine is because diets are extremely acidic.

One way of fixing that is to eat foods that become more basic in the body.

What I wonder about (in light of this baking soda discussion) is whether your diet (and your body's pH) can have an impact on your performance in this way.. can you eat foods to help buffer your system. Or, if your performance can suffer if you're eating too acidic of a diet...

I would think so. I eat lot of greens and things like lemon juice which help.

[soulspinner]

Originally Posted by 54ny77

well damn it all, now i know why i crave an occasional hay cube or apple after milkshaking.

[Geeheeb]

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/alkaline-water-a-scam/

Check out effects on cholesterol too

[Jgrooms]

It works when time to go AT. Mix w flavored creatine 1 hr before ride & 2-3 hrs after you eat. No big heavy meal, which you shouldn't be doin prior to super intensity. Experiment w amount & not before the big event. 1 teaspoon for me. Its food - real food if thats your thing. So the 'doping' things just a bit off, but whatever...

[Joachim]

Originally Posted by Jgrooms

It works when time to go AT. Mix w flavored creatine 1 hr before ride & 2-3 hrs after you eat. No big heavy meal, which you shouldn't be doin prior to super intensity. Experiment w amount & not before the big event. 1 teaspoon for me. Its food - real food if thats your thing. So the 'doping' things just a bit off, but whatever...

Both baking soda and EPO are ergogenic aids. One is one the doping list, the other isn't. Decide for yourself if you go with WADA's definition or the fact that both substances give you an advantage compared to nothing (or the rider not taking it).

[stephenmarklay]

Originally Posted by Joachim

Both baking soda and EPO are ergogenic aids. One is one the doping list, the other isn't. Decide for yourself if you go with WADA's definition or the fact that both substances give you an advantage compared to nothing (or the rider not taking it).

Yes protein and carbohydrates do too. Especially on a ride. Gels, cokes and the like should be banned too.

[Jgrooms]

Originally Posted by Joachim

Both baking soda and EPO are ergogenic aids. One is one the doping list, the other isn't. Decide for yourself if you go with WADA's definition or the fact that both substances give you an advantage compared to nothing (or the rider not taking it).

Baking soda and EPO in same sentence? Much abused but appropriate...LOL.

[shovelhd]

Originally Posted by stephenmarklay

Yes protein and carbohydrates do too. Especially on a ride. Gels, cokes and the like should be banned too.

You're actually fortifying your pre race diet with baking soda? Really?

[Jgrooms]

Originally Posted by shovelhd

You're actually fortifying your pre race diet with baking soda? Really?

Old hat such as yourself & never had a bit of Gatorade w a pinch of sodium bicarbonate?

[happycampyer]

Originally Posted by OldCrank

Imagine the GREAT faces you could make, munching on Alka Seltzers. (*8{

When I read that, I thought you said:

Originally Posted by OldCrank

Imagine the GREAT feces you could make, munching on Alka Seltzers. (*8{

Originally Posted by 54ny77

well damn it all, now i know why i crave an occasional hay cube or apple after milkshaking.

My idea of milkshaking before a ride always involved Haagen-Dazs, Baskin-Robbins or Longfords. No wonder it never made me any faster.

[stephenmarklay]

Originally Posted by shovelhd

You're actually fortifying your pre race diet with baking soda? Really?

No actually I have only tried it on interval days and once on really hard hilly route. I have not raced in some years.

Baking soda just takes too much effort and I don稚 get paid. However if I did I might.

I love to experiment to see what I notice in terms of performance or longevity. Today I took a 25 minute sauna as it can increase HGH and thats good for both.

I also took a 10 minute cold shower. Also has some neat benefits.

Creatine has been in my rotation (on and off) since the late 1990痴. I started that since research was showing strength improvements. Now the list of benefits is very long.

[Elefantino]

I sort of kind of maybe wonder if van Garderen's Stage 17 "illness" wasn't the result of BSD.

[Joachim]

Originally Posted by stephenmarklay

Yes protein and carbohydrates do too. Especially on a ride. Gels, cokes and the like should be banned too.

My point is that the forum jumps on the doing accusation band wagon when it's tdf time, but here we are using ergogenic aids to improve our performance. Baking soda is not part of a normal diet like carbohydrates and protein. It's used to improve performance and you don't need it as an essential part of your diet (such as proteins and carbohydrates and fats). Just because some guy in a white coat at Wada says that hgh is doping, but baking soda is not, then we are suddenly not dabbling in doping when it comes to throwing down a teaspoon/tablespoon of it to improve performance? It's a grey area. I can't care less if someone milkshakes themselves to Immodium heaven, but we need to see it for what it is.

[stephenmarklay]

Originally Posted by Joachim

My point is that the forum jumps on the doing accusation band wagon when it's tdf time, but here we are using ergogenic aids to improve our performance. Baking soda is not part of a normal diet like carbohydrates and protein. It's used to improve performance and you don't need it as an essential part of your diet (such as proteins and carbohydrates and fats). Just because some guy in a white coat at Wada says that hgh is doping, but baking soda is not, then we are suddenly not dabbling in doping when it comes to throwing down a teaspoon/tablespoon of it to improve performance? It's a grey area. I can't care less if someone milkshakes themselves to Immodium heaven, but we need to see it for what it is.

I agree its a grey area. I also say most foods consumed on the bike are engineered foods. That is they are designed in such a way (for instance specific glucose to fructose ratios or like cyotomax with lactate ) to improve performance. I certainly place these in the same category.

Likewise that can of mexican Coke with its bolus of sugar and caffeine is not food and likely will give more of a performance boost mid ride than baking soda.

My guide, not being a racer, is does it have potential to make me a better athlete AND does it have potential to improve my health. If I check both boxes I try it. BTW mexicoke does not check those boxes and neither do gels etc.

[Jgrooms]

Well better pass on the pre ride joe then.