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07-10-2017, 12:37 PM
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Whether the driver should be criminally culpable is another issue. As that question largely revolves around the driver’s state of mind, i.e., were his actions intentional or undertaken with reckless disregard for human life. We just don’t have sufficient facts to make that call based on the 21 second video and on an unreliable statement from another driver who purportedly saw either the same vehicle, or perhaps a similar vehicle, target cyclists previously. And no, the fact that someone rides a bike doesn’t given them a pass for riding foolishly. This incident could have been avoided. There are asshole drivers who do have it in for cyclists. Why give them an opportunity? 
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07-10-2017, 01:46 PM
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I ride really defensively, but also adhere to the Effective Cycling principles pretty religiously and am assertive and all that, but you can't fault the cyclist here at all.
You're not supposed to hit people with your car, no matter what. It wouldn't matter if he and his buddy were butt naked in the middle of the road high on drugs playing cards, you don't hit them. I think we all cling to this "cyclist wasn't being defensive enough" fallacy because we are afraid of getting hit and it's a mental coping tool. "I ride defensively, I'm a skilled rider, I'm not like that guy in the video, so I won't get hit." It's a fallacy.. if the driver is going to hit you they're going to hit you IMO, and unfortunately I've been hit when doing "everything right" so it's personal in my case. We're all just waiting for our number to come up. All the things we do might help our odds a little bit but they don't matter much if a driver is super malicious or negligent.
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07-10-2017, 02:02 PM
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Thank you. I can't believe people blaming the victim like that. THis is exactly why, mark my word, this guy who just committed attempted murder will get off with a slap on the wrist. It is ALWAYS the cyclist fault if for any other reason the judge, jury, prosecutors, and everyone else in that courtroom hates us. Last edited by redir; 07-10-2017 at 02:04 PM.
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07-10-2017, 02:10 PM
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Totes agree w/ benb
And I'm choosing not to watch/listen to the video because my coping tool is threadbare at this point. I've been taken down three times in my 29 years on road bikes... I couldn't begin to guess as to how many collisions I've avoided due to negligent acts I have anticipated.
There is one basic responsibility for driving. Do everything possible not to hit stuff. If there is a farm tractor, a horse drawn cart, an animal, a boulder, or **even a lowly person on a bike** you do what it takes to pass safely. Period. Last edited by bshell; 07-10-2017 at 04:43 PM. Reason: rode v. road
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07-10-2017, 02:47 PM
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It is clear that with normal driving skills the car would not have hit the cyclist and that the cyclist appeared to be riding predictably and on the proper side of the road. One thing that is seldom brought up is how difficult it is to judge speed and distance when there is such a disparity between vehicle size and speed and that drivers rarely encounter cyclists and do not get much practice.
I don't know why pointing out that the cyclist was crowding the center line when he was supposed to be riding single file would be viewed as a problem. I ride exclusively on the road and also drive a car and I am sick and tired of cyclists not following the rules and assuming car drivers are fault whenever an accident occurs. It is always car strikes cyclist, or car kills cyclist, never cyclist doing anything wrong. Just the other day I did something incredibly stupid and luckily was not struck by a car. Just a few minutes prior to me doing something stupid, I had to ride defensively to avoid being struck in a roundabout. I also don't know how anyone viewing this video could possibly determine intent or cause of the accident, or who the heck's horn was blowing. Someone mentioned that another motorist witness the car previously targeting cyclists?
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07-10-2017, 02:57 PM
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I'd love to know what world you live in that is full of news reports blaming drivers, or drivers being punished for hitting a cyclist. Hell, even when a cyclist is mowed down by a drunk, the news always has to insert a "the cyclist was not wearing a helmet at the time", as if that means the drunk was entitled to run him down.
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07-10-2017, 03:07 PM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the driver thought he could get away with this. This also hints at premeditation. It also notes in this article that the cyclist was a novice. So we have a novice cyclist on a roadway with signage that states he can use the full lane, and he gets run over.
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07-10-2017, 03:09 PM
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Hit and run on the Natchez Trace
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/nat...list-being-hit
Claims he didn't know he hit him & now, of course, he is the victim of death threats. Its a wonderful world! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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07-10-2017, 03:12 PM
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Right on the home page, imagine, cyclists!
https://www.nps.gov/natr/index.htm Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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07-10-2017, 03:18 PM
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07-10-2017, 03:29 PM
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Really??!!!!
You hit a grown adult on a bike and you didn't know it?!!!! I know when a rock gets flung into my car because I CAN HEAR IT and you didn't hear/feel a bike and human?!! ***! This POS is full of it.
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07-10-2017, 04:01 PM
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