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all the things you described could be easily addressed in a contract.
not that they're the end-all-be-all, but something on paper is better than the all too common bro handshake/you'll get it when it's done timeline, along with a little hopin' and prayin' that the reality meets the expectations either in the end or along the way. plus it (a contract) gives both parties adequate framework for redress if things go sideways. like anything, all situations are negotiable. your situation (lost job, undelivered frame but a solution that worked out for everyone) would have been the same with or without a contract, since it sounds like you worked with a good builder. being devil's advocate, consider: what would the builder have done if, being ethical and solutions-oriented as he seems to be, instead got stiffed if you just walked away and left him hanging? that's what i meant by protections going both ways. Quote:
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Credibility can be lost in an instant...and takes a long time to re-establish. He has written his own history, not me. What I listed as past performance was fact...not opinion. "Thought not".......Grow up.
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whatever he has one of the best names in cycling
cheers imho
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If a framebuilder returns your deposit, is it really worthwhile to hire a lawyer to go after the guy for breach of implied contract? Even if the builder doesn't return the deposit, I expect the time/money one devotes to it won't ever be recovered. If a customer forfeits their $500 deposit and walks, do many framebuilders think it's a good investment of their time/money to hire a lawyer to go get the rest, when the frame is still in their possession? For me, life is too short to burdern simple transactions with excessive precautions. If a builder chooses to do this, then I've picked the wrong one. If I ask for a contract, then I expect an established builder might tell me to go find another. In my view, these aren't complicated transactions and inserting lawyers will make them exactly that. I'm speaking for myself, of course. |
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Fixed..I have no axe to grind. You can't fall off the face of the map...call it quits, and then have a sudden change of heart and expect that everyone wants to hand you there money and wait for a bike that get here....when exactly. just sayin.
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my friend said he was in a good place now and that is good for me
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i always like his logo design too kind of a mystic feel to it steelman that is cool next i like strong that is cool too then naked that is cool too .... etc . cheers it is all cool with me
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He told people fictional dates and the bikes were never built...refused to return phone calls (message box filled)...refused to return e-mails...people showed up at his door and he wouldn't answer it...what exactly am I missing here.
I wish him well. A couple of years, it may all be behind them, but given the list of guys that can answer phones, e-mails, and get me my bike on time....+ build a world class ride...I would not be an early adopter of the New Steelman.
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Re Brent and this thread - were any of you in the queue, or have skin in the game?
Or are your opinions based on this simply being a popular type of thread that relates to something you know about from a distance but have no real connection to? Who here is directly affected by this? .
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Last time I looked we were allowed to discuss anything cycling related and give our opinions. I can also have an opinion about the business practices of Johnson and Johnson without being a stockholder.
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He cam through with Mine it was only a month late but I didnt care do to the fact that I was in transition/moving. and everytime I called to check up on my bike he was happy to answer my questions.
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I don't think there is a need to kick a man when he is down, but we also don't operate in a vaccum do we? Our actions, even when justified or necesary, have consequences. For Steelman, one of those might be customers moving on to a guy who might be viewed as more stable. There is nothing wrong with that at all. Not all builders are a good fit for customers and vice versa. |
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[QUOTE=e-RICHIE]Re Brent and this thread - were any of you in the queue, or have skin in the game?
Or are your opinions based on this simply being a popular type of thread that relates to something you know about from a distance but have no real connection to? Who here is directly affected by this?.[/QUOTE I have no skin in the game...but am curious how this is relevant to the conversation taking place. I don't see a bunch of mudslinging going on...and thoughts the facts were pretty well established...and that the conversation has been pretty civilized.
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