Campy wireless rumors?

makoti · #1 03-05-2017, 09:46 AM

Anyone hear of a timeline for Campy releasing wireless shifting? Or if at all? Thinking of moving my S&S bike to 11sp, and would love to ditch the shifting cables.

oldpotatoe · #2 03-05-2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by makoti

Anyone hear of a timeline for Campy releasing wireless shifting? Or if at all? Thinking of moving my S&S bike to 11sp, and would love to ditch the shifting cables.

No plans for wireless from Campagnolo or shimano. No real advantage, when applied to electronic. More batteries. Makes install easier on some frames but that's an advantage to the builder, not really the user..Yes, an advantage to S&S..

makoti · #3 03-05-2017, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

No plans for wireless from Campagnolo or shimano. No real advantage, when applied to electronic. More batteries. Makes install easier on some frames but that's an advantage to the builder, not really the user..Yes, an advantage to S&S..

Sigh. Thanks. Guess I'll start watching for sales.

Kirk007 · #4 03-05-2017, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

No plans for wireless from Campagnolo or shimano. No real advantage, when applied to electronic. More batteries. Makes install easier on some frames but that's an advantage to the builder, not really the user..Yes, an advantage to S&S..

Well, its also an advantage perhaps to the user who builds up frames by themselves and doesn't want to hassle with the internal routing etc of most di2/EPS frames....

ColonelJLloyd · #5 03-05-2017, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirk007

Well, its also an advantage perhaps to the user who builds up frames by themselves and doesn't want to hassle with the internal routing etc of most di2/EPS frames....

Yeah, hard to make the case that wireless doesn't have an advantage over a wired system. There may be trade-offs or other issues, but not having wires is a distinct advantage in my book.

ergott · #6 03-05-2017, 10:53 AM

I have both Di2 and etap. The advantage or etap is in initial setup and flexibility of frames it will give a clean install with. If you have a bike without accommodations for internal wiring etap will look a lot better. I also hate the look of the junction box, but now Shimano has a cleaner setup with the bar end. Still, that's not as easy to retro fit onto an older bike.

The differences in user experience out on the road are too small to really matter much. All of them shift well and pretty fast. I just think that one of the nicest parts of electric is in the beauty of a bike with less clutter. Wireless gives you the best of that.

R3awak3n · #7 03-05-2017, 10:57 AM

wireless is pretty cool and campy/shimano would be stupid not to come up with similar tech. Is it needed? no, but neither is electronic shifting. I know people hate on sram and I am a campy guy but I thought etap was pretty cool and a good move on srams part

ElHardeen · #8 03-05-2017, 11:06 AM

Wireless is pretty cool, but considering Shimano and Campy are a bit on the slow side to adopt new trends it could be a while.

However once the wires are run, unplugging the derailleur, or even setting up a junction around the coupler, wouldn't be a major issue.

Bear in mind, wireless shifting only fixes half of your cable issues. There are still (thankfully) brake cables or housing to contend with.

oldpotatoe · #9 03-05-2017, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirk007

Well, its also an advantage perhaps to the user who builds up frames by themselves and doesn't want to hassle with the internal routing etc of most di2/EPS frames....

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Makes install easier on some frames but that's an advantage to the builder

Yup, to the builder, even DIY ones.

oldpotatoe · #10 03-05-2017, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by R3awak3n

wireless is pretty cool and campy/shimano would be stupid not to come up with similar tech. Is it needed? no, but neither is electronic shifting. I know people hate on sram and I am a campy guy but I thought etap was pretty cool and a good move on srams part

How many BB30 cranks does shimano make?

If they see an advantage, in terms of selling more and performance advantages, shimano will. If not, like BB30, they won't. Doubt 'stupid' has anything to do with it. shimano sells every Di2 they make now.

oldpotatoe · #11 03-05-2017, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ElHardeen

Wireless is pretty cool, but considering Shimano and Campy are a bit on the slow side to adopt new trends it could be a while.

However once the wires are run, unplugging the derailleur, or even setting up a junction around the coupler, wouldn't be a major issue.

Bear in mind, wireless shifting only fixes half of your cable issues. There are still (thankfully) brake cables or housing to contend with.

NOT trying to argue..but Campagnolo was first to 9s, 10s and 11s. Shimano first to electronic. Shimano's march(mid 1980s) to lever mounted shifting is history. Cassette hubs, 130mm BCD, many others. If anything sram is following shimano(electronic, 11s, etc)..except for this one example-etap. I seem to remember an ad from sram, 'batteries NOT included'..before they had (last to market) electronic.

Also-sram is a follower, IMHO

http://road.cc/content/news/153920-s...brake-standard
IMHO, of course.

R3awak3n · #12 03-05-2017, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

How many BB30 cranks does shimano make?

If they see an advantage, in terms of selling morea and performance advantages, shimano will. If not, like BB30, they won't. Doubht 'stupid' has anything to do with it. shimano sells every Di2 they make now.

I guess it really depends on how successful etap is. If it steals any market share, shimano will jump on it (probably won't but who knows).

sram was also the first to hydraulic road, that one didn't work well for them but they got there first as well.

oldpotatoe · #13 03-05-2017, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by R3awak3n

I guess it really depends on how successful etap is. If it steals any market share, shimano will jump on it (probably won't but who knows).

sram was also the first to hydraulic road, that one didn't work well for them but they got there first as well.

True and Campag had electronic shifting way before shimano..Like shortly after 10s came out(2000)..a bunch of prototype groups on team bikes at the Giro..transfer to next start, lots of bikes on roofs, lots of rain..all failed...so back to basics and made it waterproof. Didn't want to let the consumer be beta tester like...well, ya know.

I don't know but lack of pro team sponsorship plus the $ to fix the hydro brakes and cost to create etap..I think sram needs to watch it's $. Zipp, rockshox, truvativ, avid all have had some issues. IMHO, again, of course.

Masaoshiro · #14 03-05-2017, 11:54 AM

Campy wireless would be so awesome!

makoti · #15 03-05-2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ElHardeen

Wireless is pretty cool, but considering Shimano and Campy are a bit on the slow side to adopt new trends it could be a while.

However once the wires are run, unplugging the derailleur, or even setting up a junction around the coupler, wouldn't be a major issue.

Bear in mind, wireless shifting only fixes half of your cable issues. There are still (thankfully) brake cables or housing to contend with.

True, but the brakes are simple. Shifting getting out of whack is a bigger pain. I've got a work-around for it, but not having those two wires would be nice.