Shimano 12 speed 11-36 cassette

[robertbb]

May be of interest to those running 12 speed drivetrains, particularly those with "all-road" setups:

CS-HG710-12

Gradations: 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-36

This is the 12 speed cassette I've been waiting for.

Personally would love to know if a 12 speed Campy rear derailleur might cope - anyone keen on trying? (*cough* Angryscientist *cough*)

[Dave]

Usually, another 2 teeth won't be a problem, but another inch of chain might be required to wrap the big/big. This cassette is similar to the 10-36 from sram that I ran on a Campy 12 drivetrain a couple of years ago. It worked.

Availability looks like late November.

I'm back to the 10-36 and 46/30 crank for the lowest gearing I can get. I'd rather have it and not use it than need it and not have it.

[jody_husky]

this sounds like a welcome upgrade for people running 1x road setups, such as myself.

wonder is it the standard weight or ultegra/da tier?

[buddybikes]

Is it possible for SRAM to have an 11 version or does the XDR driver not allow it? Think they ever will?

Running Force AXS 1x, never use 10 as the roads here are pretty flat and too old to sprint

[Dave]

I've used a 10-36 AXS with Campy 12, so 11-36 won't be a problem.

Sram is unlikely to ever make a cassette that starts with an 11 since their chain ring offerings all go with the 10T smallest sprocket. My 46/10 is nearly identical to a 50/11.

Just drop your chain ring size by 10% if the 10T is not used. If the 36 sprocket is then too low, use a 10-28 or 10-33.

https://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-AXS-X...7BCD-Chainring

Flat land riders always complain about too much top gear and too wide sprocket spacing. 12 speed just isn't needed.

[robertbb]

Originally Posted by jody_husky

this sounds like a welcome upgrade for people running 1x road setups, such as myself.

wonder is it the standard weight or ultegra/da tier?

It's 105-level, so it'll be a (teeny weeny, very negligible) bit heavier than Ultegra/DA but shift just as crisp and possibly last longer and wear better.

The fact that it doesn't require a new XC/Microspline freehub is great considering HG is ubiquitous.

[robertbb]

Originally Posted by Dave

I've used a 10-36 with Campy 12, so 11-36 won't be a problem.

Sram is unlikely to ever make a cassette that starts with an 11 since their chain ring offerings all go with the 10T smallest sprocket. My 46/10 is nearly identical to a 50/11.

Just drop your chain ring size by 10% if the 10T is not used. If the 36 sprocket is then too low, use a 10-28 or 10-33.

https://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-AXS-X...7BCD-Chainring

Flat land riders always complain about too much top gear and too wide sprocket spacing. 12 speed just isn't needed.

I was originally disappointed that 105 Di2 didn't introduce a new sub-compact or super-compact crank option and assumed that an upcoming 12 speed GRX crank may account for that.

But when this 11-36 dropped it made perfect sense with the "all-road" (but not gravel-specific) market that 105 is now targeted to.

The standard compact isn't as dead as first appeared. A 50/34 with an 11-36 means very little sacrifice needs to be made as to top gear, bottom gear, with sensible jumps while not having the same issue as super-compacts where many braze-on frames won't allow front derailleur to get low enough.

[RobbieTunes]

Running one of each. 11-speed.
Better than anything previously.
Can’t imagine lesser jumps with would be anything but better.

[Applesauce]

I have barely touched the b-screw on either of my 12s Campy setups. That suggests the top pulley should be able to clear the bigger cog easily. But it’s hard to say whether the cage can carry enough extra chain to handle the extra teeth in the system, might depend a little on what chainring combo you’re running. (ie, 14t spread in the chainrings should be easy…16 might be harder.)

All that said, my 11-34 Dura Ace cassette/chain on my SR bike shifts better than my all-Campy bike.

[CampagnoloCOOL]

Please share your experiences here comparing #campagnolo vs SHIMANO ...

[Dave]

For those who may not know, Shimano GRX cranks will work just fine with 12 speed. I've owned and used two 48/31 cranks and three 46/30. The bolt pattern is the same for both. They chain line is +2.5mm, but washers behind the mounting bolts will move both rings inward, for a road bike chain line.

[CampagnoloCOOL]

Have any members run SHIMANO 12 speed cassette with Campagnolo 12 speed gruppo as well as visa versa ?

I have tried 11 SHIMANO with my Campagnolo 11 SR gruppo and it works fine

Simply swapped wheelset s with a fellow cyclist friends to see how well they work together.

ONLY use Campagnolo cassettes with my Campagnolo gruppo though

Was shocked at how much heavier SHIMANO freehub body for Campagnolo / FULCRUM wheelsets compared to much lighter Campagnolo freehub body 🇮🇹😎💥💥‼‼

[Applesauce]

Originally Posted by CampagnoloCOOL

Have any members run SHIMANO 12 speed cassette with Campagnolo 12 speed gruppo as well as visa versa ?

As above…I have a bike with 12s SR shifters and rear derailleur, DA9k FD, 11-34 12s 9200 cassette, and XTR 9100 chain, and it runs much quieter and shifts better than my Record bike with 11-34 Chorus cassette and SR 12s chain.

[bikinchris]

Originally Posted by Dave

I've used a 10-36 AXS with Campy 12, so 11-36 won't be a problem.

Sram is unlikely to ever make a cassette that starts with an 11 since their chain ring offerings all go with the 10T smallest sprocket. My 46/10 is nearly identical to a 50/11.

Just drop your chain ring size by 10% if the 10T is not used. If the 36 sprocket is then too low, use a 10-28 or 10-33.

https://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-AXS-X...7BCD-Chainring

Flat land riders always complain about too much top gear and too wide sprocket spacing. 12 speed just isn't needed.

If bike companies would get their head out of their ....., and realise not everyone is a 23 year old Cat 1 racer, they might try to sell a 12 or even (shudder) 13 tooth high cassette. In fact, I might swap to 12 speed and XD driver if they did. The horror.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by bikinchris

If bike companies would get their head out of their ....., and realise not everyone is a 23 year old Cat 1 racer, they might try to sell a 12 or even (shudder) 13 tooth high cassette. In fact, I might swap to 12 speed and XD driver if they did. The horror.

You obviously haven't figured out the sprocket sequence for 12 speed, starting with a 12. I'm 69 and have no problem with my 46/30 and 10-36. Those much older than me are no longer a target audience. FWIW, my regular 52 mile route has 3750 feet of climbing. An easiesr route only has about 2800 in the first 23 miles of the 46 mile route, according to my Garmin edge 530. I only need the big ring for the easier route