Help with value of All City Space Horse.

[benb]

I would verify from the seller what the wheels and brakes are if you're going to put in an offer.

They are not listing what they are, I kind of suspect this was a complete bike from All-City that got upgrades, not a ground up build. If it was a ground up build you would really expect the wheels to be listed, and you wouldn't expect it to have the Tektro CR720 brakes, the brakes on this bike look like the Tektros. Hard to tell but the wheels look stock too.

Everyone is different.. Chris King Headset would be like the absolute last thing I'd upgrade on a bike! I don't think I've ever changed a headset, the stock headsets have always been fine, All City uses a Cane Creek setup and it's totally fine IMO. (I have had a CK headset before, but it didn't do anything magical IMO)

I have changed out derailleurs and stuff on my bike but only cause they wore out.. even the cranks.. I got rid of the stock Tiagra cranks when I wore out the rings on them.

I doubt I'd put my bike up for $1800, and I've even got a PM on mine, and I've also got the 105 5700 parts for this one. If I was just naively going to sell it my guess is I would have put it up for under $1000. I'd probably have taken the PM off though.

[charliedid]

Originally Posted by choke

OK, I have to ask....why so much?

Frame = $600
105 group = $625 at Excel, so let's say $800 at a LBS
Killer wheels = $500
Misc parts (saddle, bars, stem, etc) = $500, which is probably high

Total = $2400

Well, we don't give away labor and if we build from a frame we face and chase everything possible including the stem if needed and dics brakes if used. We would also give it a framesaver treatment. Pro build in our shop ranges from $250-$350 depending on the bike. So add that and tax (out the door) my ballpark price adds up. Shimano is all over the place but last time I bought a full group from them it was closer to $900. We don't price match and we don't base our pricing on internet sites here or in the UK.

We believe we deliver a great product and good value in the end. It takes a long time to cherry pick and put bikes together. Don't even get me started on shipping costs etc.

Bikes shops are a lousy business ;-)

[pbarry]

If your offer doesn't work out, post a WTB here. Someone has a nice rig at a good price.

[charliedid]

Originally Posted by sean.allan.t

Hey thanks for all the thoughts.

I build up and sell bikes from frames and parts that I find used (throw in the few new parts like bar tape, cables, etc) and so I know the pricing on building up something like this from parts. Of course that depends a lot on the wheels and group. If it was built from new probably in the $2 - $3k range. But I couldn't sell it for anywhere near that.

So, the reason for asking is that I don't have time at the moment to build another bike, much less be patient to get the best prices for all the parts that I want. But more importantly, I wanted some backup when I go to him with my really low offer.

So, all the help here, objective and subjective is really appreciated!

Thanks.

Thanks for the context, sorry if I assumed incorrectly. Make an offer, all they can say is no or counter :-)