Way OT: PBS Vietnam Series

[classtimesailer]

No fluff in this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietna...vision_History
But apparently, the Ministry of Truth has dropped some of this Journalistic Masterpiece down the Memory Hole. I don't know if the original version is available anywhere.

[djg21]

Originally Posted by wc1934

Tricky Dick delays the peace talks thus more die. One of the many reasons I despise him.

He’s perhaps not the last Presidential candidate to try this. Ironically, Reagan was one of the candidates that lost the primary to Nixon. http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/wo...e-release.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octo...spiracy_theory

[thwart]

Originally Posted by Doug Fattic

... This is why I study carefully how to vote in every election. I vote for those that seem to have good judgment and against those that appear to run because it serves their own interests rather than what is best for all Americans.

What a concept.

Great post. Thanks!

[wc1934]

Originally Posted by djg21

He’s perhaps not the last Presidential candidate to try this. Ironically, Reagan was one of the candidates that lost the primary to Nixon. http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/wo...e-release.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octo...spiracy_theory

Johnson called Nixon's act "treason".

[Jgrooms]

Originally Posted by wc1934

Johnson called Nixon's act "treason".

It was. The law is clear. A private citizen cannot work back channel diplomacy against the government.

Nixon/Kissinger were commiting a crime. Irony is that some argue their success in this would lead to Watergate

I believe there is still not a smoking gun in Reagan’s situation...yet.?


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[fiamme red]

Originally Posted by classtimesailer

No fluff in this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietna...vision_History
But apparently, the Ministry of Truth has dropped some of this Journalistic Masterpiece down the Memory Hole. I don't know if the original version is available anywhere.

Thanks for mentioning this. I didn't see it either in its original or rebroadcast formats. I'll look for the DVD.

[Jgrooms]

Freedom of the Press & leaks. All sounds so familiar? Oh & they failed to mention Ellsberg earned a commission in the Marine Corps. He’s one of the more fascinating characters of the age.


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[Jgrooms]

A series of podcasts centering on LBJ & Lady Bird’s tapes & speeches.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...=1000392176808


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[marsh]

I've been listening to this series while working on the house this week. The original score by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross is amazing (I just saw NIN, have a little fan bias). Great headphone/riding sounds. Spotify link:
https://open.spotify.com/album/3XMCBd9ztkUpW9FBVHw5YG

[wc1934]

I thought it was excellent - sad, tragic, heartbreaking and shocking - 3 million Vietnamese died - 58,220 Americans died and for what?

[oldpotatoe]

Just watched Episode 4..2 quotes I wrote down...

"Difficult to dispel ignorance if you retain arrogance"

"If you can't count what's important, you make what you can count, important"

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[echelon_john]

This is one for the ages.

"Difficult to dispel ignorance if you retain arrogance"

[AngryScientist]

finished episode 2 last night. well done and i am learning a LOT of things i didnt know. very well done IMO.

[thwart]

I doubt anyone watching the final episode last night had a dry eye during the segment on the Memorial Wall.

Seemed like an appropriate conclusion to a tragic story.

[jlyon]

I was thinking that even though I was a toddler at the end of the war if one of my brothers had been drafted (they were in college at the beginning of the 70s) and then wounded I would be really mad after watching this series.

In my mind politicians are supposed to go out of their way to keep peace and justice rather than prolong it to further their own glory.

I think I can better feel why so many people older than me feel such distrust and distaste for politicians.

I always knew they played with he truth but this seems to make it clear that they really value their own power and make crazy decisions in an effort to keep it.