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Old 10-02-2012, 07:04 PM
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I haven't been doing a very good job of documenting my work recently since I no longer share space with a photographer but here are some shots taken by John Watson of a recent frame I shipped out.




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Old 10-03-2012, 09:26 AM
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I haven't been doing a very good job of documenting my work recently since I no longer share space with a photographer but here are some shots taken by John Watson of a recent frame I shipped out.
Love that blue and white combo!

Hey Ian,

First off I would like to thank you for joining us on the Paceline to talk about your work. Thanks man!

When I first came across your website and looked at the rides you created, one of the first things that popped into my head was "Yamaguchi". This was before I read that you had trained with him. Obviously Koichi's influence has rubbed off on you. Beyond some of the similarities, where would you say you have also deviated or expanded on what you learned from him?

I have been a fan of Yamaguchi's work since my racing days, especially of the original triple triangle designs. Are your lowered seat stays your take on those designs? Aside from aesthetics, how would you describe the lowered stays effect on ride compared to the traditional seat stay/top tube frames?






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Old 10-03-2012, 10:15 AM
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Hey William,
No problem, its good to hear from folks and answer some questions instead of hiding out in my shop!

There are a lot of minor things that I have changed in the build process since learning from Yamaguchi. Many of them don't show up in the final product like tacking sequence/method, and internal brazing changes. Some visible ones would be the way I braze dropouts, I was taught to keep the edging very crisp and clean around the seatstay and chainstay slots but to me it seemed to go better with a lugged frame. Now I intentionally overfill and add brass to the outside so that I can sand them into a smooth seamless transition similar to the fillet brazed joints on the rest of the bike. Also, all the bi-lam stuff is something I don't know if Yamaguchi got too much into, I certainly wasn't the first but I like to think i've done them in a little bit different way by doing them in different directions (on the yellow fade frame head tube) and by adding windows to the tubes on the Purple/white Columbus MAX frame.

The lowered seatstays were something that was also popular with Yamaguchi and I incorporated them into my first frame build ever (for myself) to increase stiffness in the rear triangle. It had the greatest effect on larger frames. Where Yamaguchi was doing it for race frames, I was usually building for Street/some velodrome time so I decided to add a reinforcing plate to deal with more rigorous use.

I will actually be repairing a Yamaguchi frame soon. He doesn't do repairs so customer of his sent me one that needs the top tube replaced from a dooring in NYC. Looking forward to checking out his work again and getting a slick frame back on the road.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:30 PM
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The lug windows look pretty darn cool. I must add a bit to fab time?



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Old 10-04-2012, 06:22 PM
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Amazing work. Fillet Brazing is so elegant!! Wow.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:23 PM
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Yep, everything bi-lam adds time to a build and the windows just add another layer to that process. Of course, I think its clear that nothing about what I do is geared towards producing frames quickly.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:49 AM
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Hey Ian,

Do you think the dropped stay/tighter rear triangle on a larger frame would also work well for cross applications?



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Old 10-10-2012, 03:16 PM
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Been a big fan of your work ever since I saw pictures of frames with feathers on them popping up randomly in the bike porn threads on LaFixed.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:40 PM
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Hey Evan, I remember LAfixed because Kyle of Tracko was in contact with me pretty early on about my Yamaguchi experience, before the Icarus name came along I just put feathers on stuff.

William, I haven't thought too much about the lowered stays for 'cross. They might work on a larger frame, keeping in mind that the lowering makes the seatstays come together sooner which could limit tire clearance. Also, they might be on the narrow side for canti-mounts but disc is becoming more popular so maybe you wouldn't be putting posts on?
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Finished up the Yamaguchi repair.


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Old 10-11-2012, 08:09 AM
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Finished up the Yamaguchi repair.


Man!! Those are some beautiful fillets on the Yama repair!! Please post up some pictures after it's repainted as well.

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William, I haven't thought too much about the lowered stays for 'cross. They might work on a larger frame, keeping in mind that the lowering makes the seatstays come together sooner which could limit tire clearance. Also, they might be on the narrow side for canti-mounts but disc is becoming more popular so maybe you wouldn't be putting posts on?
That makes sense. I wonder if the closer stays would allow running 30 - 34mm tires? I think the idea is a cool one, and on a bike size I would need it might be do-able, but it would be a deal breaker if you couldn't run that tire size range because of the stays. If I was having another cross frame built up I would definitely go disc.






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Old 10-11-2012, 06:34 PM
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seat stay question

curious what order you work in to when attaching the seat stays & reinforcing plate. Does the reinforcing plate attach to seat stays before brazing to the seat tube like with a seat stay cap? Or does the reinforcing plate get brazed to the seat tube followed by the stays?

Whatever the order, its a beautiful look!
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Old 10-13-2012, 07:33 PM
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For the seatstays I braze the plate to the seat tube first. That way I can get full brazing coverage between the plate and seat tube before adding on the stays.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:06 AM
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Is this a full time concern for you?

The ease with which a website can project viability can make one believe that there's a product to be sold. Sent an email to the address on the site, never heard back. Was ready to sign a check.

At this point do you turn away business a la Vanilla?
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:28 AM
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The ease with which a website can project viability can make one believe that there's a product to be sold. Sent an email to the address on the site, never heard back. Was ready to sign a check.

At this point do you turn away business a la Vanilla?
Did you use this address?
icarusframes at gmail dot com

This is the address I corresponded with Ian from. I find it hard to believe that he would knowingly fail to respond. maybe it got dropped in a Spam folder or lost in the either that is the internet?

As an aside, I've been having some issues with emails not coming through in corresponding with builders for the Spotlights. I don't know why, but I've resorted to using more than one email address.






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