Tomii Canvas again

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by eBAUMANN

on fenders...

pros
keep your feet and ass dry...ish

cons
annoying to install
constantly rattling over rough terrain
trap debris
increase toe overlap
add weight
impossible to clean without removing from bike

if its truly wet/raining, you are screwed without proper rain gear for your body and feet, with or without fenders.

i used to commute with fenders every day, until i realized this above truth and just invested in good waterproof shoes/shoe covers, pants, and jacket.

sure, fenders can temper a little spray off the ground if its wet-but-not-raining but yea i dunno...a little spray is a small price to pay for not having fenders on your bike.

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tire clearance...

an enve fork can fit a 28
stating a max size of 25 covers nao's ass should one of you decide to stick a 25c tire on a 25mm+ wide rim (which would likely measure closer to 27/28...)
so yea, i would wager you could fit "28's" in there but like ANY clearance situation, its heavily dependent on rim/tire combo

with fenders and proper mudflaps you can stay 90% dryer. I do agree that without proper gear you will still get wet but it will take longer and it will be less miserable. Fenders also help you keep your drivetrain much clear, they really work well for that.

The fact is, he should have put fender mounts on it. I am sorry, I know he is your friend and he makes incredible bikes but a bike like this would have been 10x cooler with a whisky road plus fork, room for 32mm tires or 28mm with fenders. The fork has fender mounts.

Still a cool bike and I love all thing tommii but it just could have been that much better

[d_douglas]

Ask anyone in the PNW who rides year round and they will say that fenders are essential.

I don't do organized group rides but from what I have heard, fenders are mandatory on winter rides. If you don't have them, you cant go. It's that wet here and fenders make that much of a difference.

I used cheap SKS ones and I have Honjos on my commuter - the SKSs are definitely lower maintenance and simpler. Honjos just look cool.

I love fenders, personally...

[eBAUMANN]

Originally Posted by R3awak3n

with fenders and proper mudflaps you can stay 90% dryer. I do agree that without proper gear you will still get wet but it will take longer and it will be less miserable. Fenders also help you keep your drivetrain much clear, they really work well for that.

The fact is, he should have put fender mounts on it. I am sorry, I know he is your friend and he makes incredible bikes but a bike like this would have been 10x cooler with a whisky road plus fork, room for 32mm tires or 28mm with fenders. The fork has fender mounts.

Still a cool bike and I love all thing tommii but it just could have been that much better

In regards to fenders keeping things cleaner, I would argue that they actually catch and redirect spray/grit down onto your bike instead of allowing the spray to escape back out into the world.
I could of course be imagining this but in my mind it makes as much sense as fenders keeping a drivetrain clean

I agree that spec'ing a whisky fork would have been smart and that fender mounts would have been an easy add-on...perhaps if enough people are willing to put their money where their mouth is and email nao, he would be willing to make a batch of frames with exactly that spec.

i think his idea for the canvas was to make a road frame with a little more functionality for carrying a few more essentials out to a swimming hole, and back...not much more.

also, if i had to use mid or long reach brakes on that frame to accomodate bigger tires...i would be unhappy...most brakes of that ilk suck, hard.
if you wanna ride 32's, just get a "gravel" bike with disc brakes and such. a bike that like has the ability to combine 2/3 bikes into one, if designed correctly.

just my 2c.

[icepick_trotsky]

If you want a Tomii with fender mounts, I'm sure he would happily build you one.

[ColonelJLloyd]

Originally Posted by eBAUMANN

also, if i had to use mid or long reach brakes on that frame to accomodate bigger tires...i would be unhappy...most brakes of that ilk suck, hard.
if you wanna ride 32's, just get a "gravel" bike with disc brakes and such. a bike that like has the ability to combine 2/3 bikes into one, if designed correctly.

just my 2c.

Interesting. That's not my experience. I assume you're referring to sidepulls so I'll just say that my experience with Tektro R559s and Shimano R650s have been excellent. I have lots of friends who use the Velo Orange long reach calipers and all have high praise. You can't get more than two cyclists to agree on any matter it seems, though; especially brakes.

And, yes, it's a fair point to say that Tomii can and should do what he wants. I'm sure if people with their wallets out want fender mounts and a Whisky fork he'll make it happen.

[eBAUMANN]

Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd

Interesting. That's not my experience. I assume you're referring to sidepulls so I'll just say that my experience with Tektro R559s and Shimano R650s have been excellent. I have lots of friends who use the Velo Orange long reach calipers and all have high praise. You can't get more than two cyclists to agree on any matter it seems, though; especially brakes.

And, yes, it's a fair point to say that Tomii can and should do what he wants. I'm sure if people with their wallets out want fender mounts and a Whisky fork he'll make it happen.

Ok, ill admit im basing that statement on my experience with some tektro long reach side-pulls that im sure have been updated and improved since i rode em...but yea, they sucked. the mid-reach paul racers i replaced em with were EXCELLENT, but required hangers...which is what it is but certainly would change the character of what is supposed to be a "road bike."

And yes, I can say with a great deal of certainty that if 5-10 people got together deposits/whatever and contacted Nao to build a run of whisky forked/fender mount canvas's, he would be more than happy to oblige.

[AngryScientist]

i would love a bike spec'd just the way this one is.

i ride a very small frame size, and that rear rack would be perfect to keep a carradice typed bag out of the rear wheel when i decide to run one for credit card typed touring.

i dont ride much (intentionally) in the rain, but when i do, i have a rain bike or use a clip on rear fender, so dedicated fender mounts are a non issue for me on a bike like this. additionally, i do have a few bikes with mid reach calipers, and think they work just great (VO brakes and TRP...), but record short reach brakes, do, in fact - work better.

i would definitely ride one!

[R3awak3n]

the VO gran cru brakes are excellent. As good as any campy brake I have used. I love that rack too, would have been real cool to have on my hampsten.

I would glady get him to build me a bike, if only I had the space and cash. Def one of my favorite "new" builders

[ColonelJLloyd]

That rack is neat, but it seems to me the person who would be apt to use this bike as intended would probably choose a modern Pika/Viscaha type setup making the rack pointless.

Nice that it does look to come off very cleanly, though.

[Corso]

If the bike came with fender mounts, there would be a bunch of folks here bitching about “ I never use fenders, they mess up the clean lines, etc etc…).

Can’t we just appreciate a talented builder for what he’s done-and not what he hasn’t?

I like his work.

[raygunner]

Originally Posted by corso

if the bike came with fender mounts, there would be a bunch of folks here bitching about “ i never use fenders, they mess up the clean lines, etc etc…).

Can’t we just appreciate a talented builder for what he’s done-and not what he hasn’t?

I like his work.

a++++++

[pncguy]

Originally Posted by R3awak3n

with a whisky road plus fork, room for 32mm tires or 28mm with fenders. The fork has fender mounts.

I have this very fork and I have a little less than 8 mm between my tire and the calipers of my Shimano BR650 brakes. My high hopes of PDW Full Metal Fenders had to be discarded. They just don't fit - even close. It isn't the fork that gets in the way, it is the brakes! So this is very brake dependent...

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by pncguy

I have this very fork and I have a little less than 8 mm between my tire and the calipers of my Shimano BR650 brakes. My high hopes of PDW Full Metal Fenders had to be discarded. They just don't fit - even close. It isn't the fork that gets in the way, it is the brakes! So this is very brake dependent...

thats interesting. I was thinking bout putting PDWs on mine with 28mm tires. Even with 32mm tires there is quite a bit of space that I think 28 would easily work with fenders. Need to investigate

[sales guy]

Personally, I like fenders. And if you're on a big bike, not really an issue on toe overlap. If the build is solid and so are the fenders, they shouldn't make noise.

I love these. While functional, I personally wouldn't use a $200 fender for everyday use. But they are cool.

[skouri1]

So, got hit by a car (am banged up but ok!). Think I will be replacing my seven mid reach fork. Anyone have more input on this whisky road plus?
I am light (135ish). I hear these are overbuilt. But honestly, my seven felt harsher than some of the other carbon forks ive had on big hit absorption. Not sure if the whisky would be better or worse. it's lighter, but I hear its also built with a VERY high weight limit.

Zank said on velocipede that the disc fork feels like his enve canti (which I have and like).

Any input?
I realize the A-C is different, but don't mind using the Tall chris king baseplate, which makes the 375 => 383 difference about a wash as far as I'm concerned.

Also curious about fender + tire clearance. I too fantasize about the PDW full metal city fenders, but the brake shoes typically look towards the middle of the slots on the whisky...