OT: VW cheating emissions on TDI vehicles

[Ralph]

Now we know why some of you can get such incredible fuel economy on long light steady throttle trips.

[Jaq]

Meanwhile, just a couple dozen of the container ships that ferry these little beauties around the world - along with our TVs and organic coconut oil and iPhones and DI2s and Rapha kits - puke out as much pollutants as all the world's cars combined.

Thank god our frugal consumer habits have left us complexly innocent in all this.

[kgreene10]

Originally Posted by Jaq

Meanwhile, just a couple dozen of the container ships that ferry these little beauties around the world - along with our TVs and organic coconut oil and iPhones and DI2s and Rapha kits - puke out as much pollutants as all the world's cars combined.

Thank god our frugal consumer habits have left us complexly innocent in all this.

From what I've read, about 20% of each overseas car's carbon footprint is accounted for by the manufacturing process and pre-sale transportation.

[grawk]

I'm happy to leave the hack in place. I'll be doing all my future service at an independent.

[Seramount]

it's the times we live in.

lying and cheating are all-prevalent.

politicians, athletes, car makers...it's a long list.

[SlackMan]

Originally Posted by grawk

I'm happy to leave the hack in place. I'll be doing all my future service at an independent.

And massively contribute to air pollution? Are you being serious?

[Louis]

Originally Posted by SlackMan

And massively contribute to air pollution? Are you being serious?

Time to ROLL COAL in a Jetta !!!

[grawk]

it's hardly massively polluting. Having to do an expensive service less often coupled with better performance is a modification I'd pay to do.

I drive a vehicle that gets over 40mpg, that's the entirety of the concession to the environment I'm currently prepared to make. If everyone in this country drove the most efficient car, it wouldn't make a dent compared to helping china get to where they give a ···· about their environment and stop polluting like it's 1950.

[SlackMan]

Originally Posted by grawk

it's hardly massively polluting. Having to do an expensive service less often coupled with better performance is a modification I'd pay to do.

I drive a vehicle that gets over 40mpg, that's the entirety of the concession to the environment I'm currently prepared to make. If everyone in this country drove the most efficient car, it wouldn't make a dent compared to helping china get to where they give a ï½·ï½·ï½·ï½· about their environment and stop polluting like it's 1950.

A quote from the Bloomberg article linked above: "During normal driving, the cars pollute 10 times to 40 times the legal limits, the agency estimated."

If I were to drive a car that gets 10mpg (which I don't, and I often commute by bike), I would still be way ahead of your concession.

Sorry, but I am floored by your comment...and I am a skeptic when it comes to man-made climate change!

[grawk]

The standards were made to make it impractical to sell diesel passenger vehicles, rather than to do actual good. They were intended to favor gas/electric hybrids. I guarantee my tdi engine, as sold today, is a cleaner running engine than any gas vehicle per mile today, or any vehicle sold prior to 2012.

[PacNW2Ford]

Originally Posted by SlackMan

A quote from the Bloomberg article linked above: "During normal driving, the cars pollute 10 times to 40 times the legal limits, the agency estimated."

If I were to drive a car that gets 10mpg (which I don't, and I often commute by bike), I would still be way ahead of your concession.

Sorry, but I am floored by your comment...and I am a skeptic when it comes to man-made climate change!

I guarantee you that 40 illegal TDIs are polluting way less than one old Subaru, that's why it's hardly "massively". We would be way better off crushing old Subarus and giving their owners these cars from an environmental standpoint.

[SlackMan]

How can the above two posters possibly know whether the assertions they make are true given that all we know is that the VW TDIs emit a range of pollutants much, much higher than the legal limit?

Looking at this another way, if all you have to do is get the update and reduce emissions by a factor of 10x to 40x, how could you possibly justify not doing it?

[grawk]

Because they put the change in the code to make the car perform better and more reliably. I'm not willing to make my car worse because some politicians want to make hybrid cars seem better.

[SlackMan]

Originally Posted by grawk

Because they put the change in the code to make the car perform better and more reliably. I'm not willing to make my car worse because some politicians want to make hybrid cars seem better.

Did you see the quote from the Bloomberg article? By turning off the emissions controls as they do, the cars emit 10x to 40x the limit. Are you saying that you are okay with driving the car around emitting 10x to 40x the limit? I'm still puzzled as to why this is even a possibility you are considering.

What am I missing?

[velotrack]

Given that this is new information, I'd like to hear more facts before I take a super strong stance on this. It's nice to see more than one side, and a greater variety of definite facts and numbers, before raising the pitchforks...