OT: VW cheating emissions on TDI vehicles

[akelman]

Originally Posted by notsew

Yeah, maybe I'm misreading, I guess he's just saying that there won't be any settlement process going forward until VW come up with an acceptable solution.

That's how I read it: that the courts, in conjunction with CARB and EPA, will adjudicate the final settlement rather than allowing VW to seek a deal directly with consumers. Which is not to say that a deal -- perhaps negotiated by Feinberg -- with consumers can't be part of the final settlement. But again, even after reading the entire transcript, I don't know exactly how to parse it.

[bthornt]

May be of interest to those individuals who want to get a summary of the story: http://blog.caranddriver.com/everyth...sions-scandal/

[yngpunk]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/09/vws-a...e-company.html

"Effective immediately"

Let the speculation begin...was he one of the 16 being investigated by the Germans...maybe his was one of the signatures that approved the software...or maybe we can blame it on the "six sygma" black belts...

[akelman]

Also this: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ca...-idUSKCN0WB05H

[palincss]

Originally Posted by yngpunk

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/09/vws-a...e-company.html

"Effective immediately"

Let the speculation begin...was he one of the 16 being investigated by the Germans...maybe his was one of the signatures that approved the software...or maybe we can blame it on the "six sygma" black belts...

Not a chance.

[peanutgallery]

He got future endeavored

Happens a lot with the six sygma guys

Originally Posted by yngpunk

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/09/vws-a...e-company.html

"Effective immediately"

Let the speculation begin...was he one of the 16 being investigated by the Germans...maybe his was one of the signatures that approved the software...or maybe we can blame it on the "six sygma" black belts...

[shovelhd]

No way. Michael Horn got the parachute because he put the customers and the dealer network ahead of the company. He was the face of VW when he told the world "we screwed up". He devised the Goodwill plan for the US. Now Europe is pissed that they didn't get their piece of cake, and VW corporate increasingly appears to be focused on survival, not customer and dealer retention in the US. Every perplexing move they have made in the last few months has gone against the image Michael Horn portrayed. I'm sure that the departure was mutual.

[bcroslin]

Originally Posted by shovelhd

No way. Michael Horn got the parachute because he put the customers and the dealer network ahead of the company. He was the face of VW when he told the world "we screwed up". He devised the Goodwill plan for the US. Now Europe is pissed that they didn't get their piece of cake, and VW corporate increasingly appears to be focused on survival, not customer and dealer retention in the US. Every perplexing move they have made in the last few months has gone against the image Michael Horn portrayed. I'm sure that the departure was mutual.

In the last week I'm back to thinking the goodwill package is the only thing we're going to see out of this fiasco. If CA allows VW to return half-fixed cars to the road it's over. Horn is smart to get as far away from VW as possible while his reputation is still intact.

[akelman]

Originally Posted by bcroslin

In the last week I'm back to thinking the goodwill package is the only thing we're going to see out of this fiasco. If CA allows VW to return half-fixed cars to the road it's over. Horn is smart to get as far away from VW as possible while his reputation is still intact.

It's possible. But if you watch the CARB hearing, you'll see that the reporting has been incredibly bad. There was basically no suggestion that VW will be let off the hook. Regardless, in terms of doomsday scenarios, I'm starting to wonder if VW is seriously considering abandoning the American market.

[Cat3roadracer]

The computer will be reflashed to accomplish something, we will be on our merry way. Diesel sales will no longer exist in the States, hybrid technology will replace.

[grawk]

plug in electrics will rule the day, and people in san francisco can pretend that coal pollution at the power plant is better than diesel in a passenger car.

[kevinvc]

Originally Posted by grawk

plug in electrics will rule the day, and people in san francisco can pretend that coal pollution at the power plant is better than diesel in a passenger car.

It is.


When considering total lifetime carbon impacts, multiple factors come into play, such as point source vs. non-point source pollution generation and capture, increased natural gas and renewable energy sources into electrical grid, annual miles driven and lifespan of the vehicle etc.

But, in your example of California, natural gas is the primary source powering the electrical grid (coal is < 5%) and the average miles driven per passenger vehicle are high. All in all, EVs are quite a bit more environmentally friendly and have less impact on human health than a diesel car.

[grawk]

Originally Posted by kevinvc

It is.


When considering total lifetime carbon impacts, multiple factors come into play, such as point source vs. non-point source pollution generation and capture, increased natural gas and renewable energy sources into electrical grid, annual miles driven and lifespan of the vehicle etc.

But, in your example of California, natural gas is the primary source powering the electrical grid (coal is < 5%) and the average miles driven per passenger vehicle are high. All in all, EVs are quite a bit more environmentally friendly and have less impact on human health than a diesel car.

and luckily the only place people buy cars is in california.

[kevinvc]

Originally Posted by grawk

and luckily the only place people buy cars is in california.

I get the impression that you are not interested in an informed discussion about this. There is ample research available showing that from a carbon standpoint, in most circumstances, EVs are preferable to petrol fueled passenger vehicles. This doesn't even include the widespread health impacts.

I'm choosing not to continue this thread with someone choosing to be deliberately obtuse. I'm happy to have a non-snarky conversation with any mature forumites.

[grawk]

well, for example, 35% of power in oregon, where you're living, is from coal. People buy diesel vehicles all over the country, and for most of the country, coal is king. Plug in electric cars pollute more than any modern combustion engine, they just do so where you can't see the tailpipe.