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Old 02-20-2017, 11:44 PM
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Stannard. He's going to get over the top one of these times given how he rides.
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Old 02-21-2017, 03:14 AM
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i'm so glad i now have Eurosport on my TV - hours of fun!
Sunday will include an early ride locally around the hills and back for brunch and K -B -K
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Old 02-21-2017, 11:41 AM
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well, Sep hasn't had a big win since he last bested Boonen in 2012, so i think i should be given a pass

GvA doesn't seem to be at his sharpest just yet. Benoot would be a good pick, as is Luke Rowe. Still trying to figure it all out
Ok, I agree. Though Sep has been in the final selection at RvV and PR, so it's not like he hasn't been near the top. On paper, I think Cannondale's classics team looks the most improved from last year. So, I do hope they put something together.

I am just excited to see what strategies the teams use with their 2017 classics squads. I'm wondering how many times we'll hear "Sagan is isolated in this front group, so he had to make a move." I think his team is no where near good enough to support him, but we'll see.
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Old 02-21-2017, 04:03 PM
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Did any of Sagan's classics wins come at the behest of his team? Sako-tinkoff weren't exactly a juggernaut on the cobbles.
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Old 02-21-2017, 05:04 PM
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i'm so glad i now have Eurosport on my TV - hours of fun!
Sunday will include an early ride locally around the hills and back for brunch and K -B -K
Yes!
I didn't see a listing on Eurosport for the Omloop. Did you?

Edit, yay! http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/...v-guide-213173
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Old 02-21-2017, 05:07 PM
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Did any of Sagan's classics wins come at the behest of his team? Sako-tinkoff weren't exactly a juggernaut on the cobbles.
You are asking if his team asked him to win bicycle races?

Yes.

They did.
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Old 02-21-2017, 10:22 PM
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Did any of Sagan's classics wins come at the behest of his team? Sako-tinkoff weren't exactly a juggernaut on the cobbles.
well he didn't get every bottle himself
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Old 02-21-2017, 10:24 PM
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Sagan's classics wins? Which of those two do you mean?
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:58 AM
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Old 02-22-2017, 11:09 AM
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Did any of Sagan's classics wins come at the behest of his team? Sako-tinkoff weren't exactly a juggernaut on the cobbles.
Yes, exactly. He has done ok with a weak team in the past. That is what I was referring to, when he's isolated, he has to make something happen himself. We saw Cancellara in similar positions, and still do well. But, it is still a tactical disadvantage to be isolated -- usually the only way to win out of that situation is to be strong as an ox.
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Old 02-22-2017, 11:29 AM
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Sagan's classics wins? Which of those two do you mean?
Which of his 3 classics wins are you excluding?
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:23 PM
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Which of his 3 classics wins are you excluding?
What're we counting as classics now? Wheelies in front of the team bus don't count as classics wins.
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What're we counting as classics now? Wheelies in front of the team bus don't count as classics wins.
2013 & 2016 Ghent Wevelgem
2016 Tour of Flanders

That makes three classics wins in my book. Only one monument yes but, let's not forget, we can add two World Championships to the list.
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Old 02-22-2017, 01:40 PM
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2013 & 2016 Ghent Wevelgem
2016 Tour of Flanders

That makes three classics wins in my book. Only one monument yes but, let's not forget, we can add two World Championships to the list.
Apologies, I forgot the second Gent Wevelgem.

So three. One semi-classic twice and a Monument. Wow, tearing it up. Greatest rider in a generation.

Surely his team's fault.
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Old 02-22-2017, 01:51 PM
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Apologies, I forgot the second Gent Wevelgem.

So three. One semi-classic twice and a Monument. Wow, tearing it up. Greatest rider in a generation.

Surely his team's fault.
I do share your sentiment. He is a media star and that certainly helps his perceived quality in the wider world.

Sagan is entering his ninth season as a pro now and here are his major wins:

WC 2015- 2016
RVV 2016
GW 2013 2016
GP E3 2014
TDF 7 stage wins and five green jerseys.

Now compare to Tom Boonen at the same point in his career:

WC 2005
RVV 2005 2006
GW 2004
PRbx 2005 2008 2009
GP E3 2004 2005 2006 2007
TDF 6 stage wins and one green jersey


Hmmm...
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