No Grand fondo for Lance

[CunegoFan]

Absurd. Has USAC ever considered centuries and recreational rides as "officially sanctioned"? This is USAC making up rules as they go to satisty the call of a vocal minority.

This is the whole problem with doping, not just by riders but by all parties involved in cycling: The rules are ignored, made up on the spot, or selectively enforced based on whatever is expedient at the moment. It is one big corrupt mess.

[Mark McM]

If the event applies for (and is granted) a USAC permit, than it is a USAC sanctioned event. USAC sanctions not only races, but also training rides and camps, club rides, and yes, even centuries.

The vast majority of centuries, fun rides and charity events are run outside of the USAC system. But for some reason, the Grand Fondo in question decided to apply for a USAC permit, so it is a sanctioned USAC event, and USAC rules apply.

This current debacle is largely of the making of the Grand Fondo organizers, who apparently didn't think ahead when they decided to make it a USAC event.

[Anarchist]

Why does everyone keep referring to the "Grand" Fondo.

Gran.

Gran Fondo.

[Jgrooms]

Originally Posted by Anarchist

Why does everyone keep referring to the "Grand" Fondo.



Gran.



Gran Fondo.

So you can get your panties in a twist & then correct everyone...

[shovelhd]

Originally Posted by mark mcm

if the event applies for (and is granted) a usac permit, than it is a usac sanctioned event. Usac sanctions not only races, but also training rides and camps, club rides, and yes, even centuries.

The vast majority of centuries, fun rides and charity events are run outside of the usac system. But for some reason, the grand fondo in question decided to apply for a usac permit, so it is a sanctioned usac event, and usac rules apply.

This current debacle is largely of the making of the grand fondo organizers, who apparently didn't think ahead when they decided to make it a usac event.

+1

[Anarchist]

Originally Posted by Jgrooms

So you can get your panties in a twist & then correct everyone...

Great, thanks all.

[r_mutt]

Originally Posted by Jgrooms

So you can get your panties in a twist & then correct everyone...

nice Jgoons

[thirdgenbird]

In this case, there would be no one to stop Armstrong, or anyone else, from riding. USA Cycling’s statement went on to address what might happen in the event that Armstrong should disregard the rules and choose to ride in the fondo.

“The World Anti-Doping Code vests jurisdiction in UCI and in USADA to determine whether an athlete has violated the terms of any suspension, as well as to assess any sanctions that might accompany an adverse determination.”

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/...c9GkljopmXt.99

So how do they punish him further? Two lifetime bans?

[Dead Man]

Yea... once you throw a lifetime ban at someone, you kind of lose teeth for any further action. It's not like they have any legal teeth- these aren't government agencies, though the "US Anti-doping Agency" wants you to think it is.

[pbarry]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

So how do they punish him further? Two lifetime bans?

Not getting to ride with former teammates/sychophants over reaching the bounds of "probation" is going too far to punish?

Outside of pro sports, the egregious nature of LA's intimidation and cover-up tactics would have him in max or med security prison. He's getting off easy. You make your bed and life is hard.

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by pbarry

Not getting to ride with former teammates/sychophants over reaching the bounds of "probation" is going too far to punish?

Not what I said at all. I am asking what else they can do beyond a lifetime ban if he shows up and rides. Like mentioned, they have no legal power.

[pbarry]

Got it. Shunning has worked for millennia. Particularly hard on those who seek acclaim. Heckling and fruit throwing might be in order if he shows up..

[mtechnica]

Seems to me that USAC and USADA have done more to tarnish the reputation of American cycling than Armstrong himself. I think it's time to let it go.

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Not what I said at all. I am asking what else they can do beyond a lifetime ban if he shows up and rides. Like mentioned, they have no legal power.

Clearly, they can't do anything to Armstrong if he participates. But somebody else is going to be in trouble.

The event has a USAC permit. USAC only grants permits to licensed clubs and/or licensed race directors, so the organizer must be a USAC member. Since it is against the rules to allow banned athletes to participate in sanctioned events, the organizer would be subject to punishment if they allow Armstrong to participate. The organizer could themselves end up getting banned.

[FlashUNC]

Looks like they shouldn't have sought USAC insurance...