New Steel Bike from LeMond!

[SlackMan]

Originally Posted by donevwil

The description reads "The frame and fork accommodate up to 28c tires." For anyone familiar with an Enve 2.0 that's "up to, not including" 28s.

Not to go too OT, but I always intepreted it as Enve 2.0s can fit 28s. Does your comment imply they willl not fit true 28s?

[buldogge]

Well…I was just riding my Legend Ti with Enve 2.0 running Ultremo ZX 28s today…seemed like it was really happening…

-Mark in Whitehall

Originally Posted by donevwil

The description reads "The frame and fork accommodate up to 28c tires." For anyone familiar with an Enve 2.0 that's "up to, not including" 28s.

Originally Posted by SlackMan

Not to go too OT, but I always intepreted it as Enve 2.0s can fit 28s. Does your comment imply they willl not fit true 28s?

[donevwil]

Originally Posted by SlackMan

Not to go too OT, but I always intepreted it as Enve 2.0s can fit 28s. Does your comment imply they willl not fit true 28s?

Correct, although not every Enve fork is the same (small batch to batch differences I've heard). The three bikes I've assembled with 2.0s had clearance for 25-26mm tires with `2mm to spare before contact. A friend tried a 25mm Conti 4000s and it rubbed. Some small 28s measure more like 26mm so may fit.

[donevwil]

Originally Posted by buldogge

Well…I was just riding my Legend Ti with Enve 2.0 running Ultremo ZX 28s today…seemed like it was really happening…

-Mark in Whitehall

A tire labeled a 28 and one measuring 28mm wide and/or tall are two different things. I've never measured a 28 Ultremo, but my 28 Conti GP4s measure 27 tall x ~25 wide on 23mm rims and rub in an Enve. As mentioned above a buddy's 25 Conti 4000s measured ~26 tall and rubbed at center nubs on a brand new tire.

Just a couple data points, your results may vary.

[eddief]

got one of the good ones . Watch out for stuff you read on the net.

[lhuerta]

...its going to be hard to beat a steel frame and Enve fork for $1800. Definitely not the same as his older 853 frames....the top tube and down tube appear highly shaped/tapered, matched with the oversize head tube/tapered fork and the slack seattube angle from his old geo, this might be a nice ride. I have never been a fan of a steel bike w/out lugs, but this one looks interesting.

[lhuerta]

Originally Posted by lhuerta

...its going to be hard to beat a steel frame and Enve fork for $1800. Definitely not the same as his older 853 frames....the top tube and down tube appear highly shaped/tapered, matched with the oversize head tube/tapered fork and the slack seattube angle from his old geo, this might be a nice ride. I have never been a fan of a steel bike w/out lugs, but this one looks interesting.

wait, there is more. If you act now you will also get...


Just checked out the specs more closely, for $1799 you get a full frame & fork kit including Cane Creek headset, 3T stem/bar/seatpost. Seems like a great deal.

[Peter P.]

Like a Michael Jordan come back.

Sadly, when Trek dropped the LeMond brand they effectively ended Greg's foothold in the market. He'll never recover the brand awareness he had back then.

He won't be able to resurrect sufficient interest in the brand, especially with a steel frame; the market is just not there to support the numbers. Steel is best left to the custom market. And there's little to differentiate his carbon offerings. Time to sail into the sunset, Greg.

Also, his current physical image doesn't do well in lending credibility to his expertise.

I'm not impressed.

[parco]

There are no lugs. I didn't think you could TIG weld 853 tubing.

[PaMtbRider]

Originally Posted by parco

There are no lugs. I didn't think you could TIG weld 853 tubing.

Yep, you can TIG 853. Many examples of it being done.

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by parco

There are no lugs. I didn't think you could TIG weld 853 tubing.

I think 853 was made specifically for welding. My favorite steel frames are welded, except my Zanconato, which is lugged. Nothing to fear with welded steel and much to enjoy. Looks like a nice bike.

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by saab2000

I think 853 was made specifically for welding. My favorite steel frames are welded, except my Zanconato, which is lugged. Nothing to fear with welded steel and much to enjoy. Looks like a nice bike.

That was my understanding. I thought it was made for tig applications.

[c-record]

Originally Posted by parco

There are no lugs. I didn't think you could TIG weld 853 tubing.

You may be thinking of 953?

[buldogge]

Nope…Ultremos ain't no Contis…measure 28mm+ width…not positive on the height measurement though, to be honest.

-Mark

Originally Posted by donevwil

A tire labeled a 28 and one measuring 28mm wide and/or tall are two different things. I've never measured a 28 Ultremo, but my 28 Conti GP4s measure 27 tall x ~25 wide on 23mm rims and rub in an Enve. As mentioned above a buddy's 25 Conti 4000s measured ~26 tall and rubbed at center nubs on a brand new tire.

Just a couple data points, your results may vary.

[druptight]

Not a fan of that huge fat headtube. Otherwise, sounds like a very good deal.