The 'Un-Official' Campagnolo Ekar thread

[shinomaster]

Looks pretty awesome, well make not that logo on the cranks.. Can this work with rim brakes? I'd put this on my Zank cx frame if so.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by shinomaster

Looks pretty awesome, well make not that logo on the cranks.. Can this work with rim brakes? I'd put this on my Zank cx frame if so.

No. It won't work with rim brakes. Disc only kit.

[shinomaster]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

No. It won't work with rim brakes. Disc only kit.

Boooo... So why make this group 13 but the road groups 12? why not make them all 13?

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by shinomaster

Boooo... So why make this group 13 but the road groups 12? why not make them all 13?

3t is offering ekar on their road bike.

I suspect the cassette/freehub design limits how small they can go with the largest cog making most of the cassette options larger than what many would want on a true road bike. I see people wanting 25 and 27t large cogs on 12 and with 13, you may not be able to go below 34t or so like shimano 11spd mtb. Above that and you are likely looking at a perfect application for ekar. Below that, do you need 13 cogs?

[hollowgram5]

Originally Posted by jtakeda

hmm.... with the flat mount only calipers ive got to figure out if I can run a flatmount caliper on my ISO frame.

Any idea of whether the RD will shift an 11 speed cassette properly? I really would just like the clutch

No idea about the RD, but it would be interesting if it did work with other generations.

As far as ISO frames go, there are a couple options. Magura MT8 (maybe others) calipers, Hope "Shimano" version, and as such could probably use Shimano or TRP calipers if you came across a good set. Basically you need to have a Mineral Oil caliper, that requires a similar amount of fluid displacement on pull of the lever. (Joosttx just updated his MTB from Magura MT calipers to XTR calipers)...

I am nearing completing of my Magura MT8/Potenza build, and am looking forward to getting some time on the levers, just need to get a replacement hydraulic line because the used group I bought doesn't have enough length.

Originally Posted by yinzerniner

Since Campy uses Magura tech in their hydraulic braking, is there any reason why someone couldn't use hydraulic rim brake calipers like the ones below:
https://www.bikeradar.com/news/magur...akes-released/

I know they're pretty rare and old, but so too are the bikes (and riders) that seem to frequent these halls.....

So, I've wanted to go down this path for a while, as I have a set of eTap HRD levers plumbed to Red22 Hydro Rim brakes on my Holland.

The biggest problem you'll see with the Magura version (and the Campy levers) is that they don't have a brake release built into the caliper like most mechanical brakes do (the Campy levers don't have the release button we love either), requiring the user to deflate the tires to install or remove them. I had stumbled across a Di2 hydro bike using the above Magura Calipers. User

I think I have a solution, but its a bit convoluted and isn't an inexpensive route.

If you (or anyone) really are interested in what I'm thinking about, send me a PM. I'd be happy to walk through my idea and how I think it will work.....

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by shinomaster

Boooo... So why make this group 13 but the road groups 12? why not make them all 13?

I’m sure that’s coming.

[pottshead]

I just bought GRX di2 with Easton 46/30 adventure rings and an 11-40 cassette, so I’m good, but this group set looks dope. Definitely makes sense if you are considering mechanical/hydro 1x. I hope this ends up being a commercial success for Campy so that they can keep innovating.

[wernerherzogsid]

The critical components of a bicycle should carry the names of lesser known mountains and hills more often than is currently used by the manufacturers of these parts. I applaud the use of this name.

[Hellgate]

Originally Posted by wernerherzogsid

The critical components of a bicycle should carry the names of lesser known mountains and hills more often than is currently used by the manufacturers of these parts. I applaud the use of this name.

That's what duct tape and a Sharpie are for.

[jpw]

What's the max gearing range % for Ekar?

[yinzerniner]

Originally Posted by jpw

What's the max gearing range % for Ekar?

Depends on how you define range.

9-46 cassette gives either 466% (42/9) via ratios of largest gear divided by smallest gear, or 366% for total gear ratio span.

Helpful article on the second method:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/percentage.html

[yinzerniner]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

No. It won't work with rim brakes. Disc only kit.

Since Campy uses Magura tech in their hydraulic braking, is there any reason why someone couldn't use hydraulic rim brake calipers like the ones below:
https://www.bikeradar.com/news/magur...akes-released/

I know they're pretty rare and old, but so too are the bikes (and riders) that seem to frequent these halls.....

[Dave]

Originally Posted by cribbit

Everyone's talking about how well priced this is and I still can't believe a mid range group is $2k.

Pink Jersey has all of the components priced individually with a total of $1758. The cassettes are pricey at $290, compared to Chours 12 for $190.

Once full groups are readily available, the price should come down to be more like a Chorus 12 disc brake group - $1500. Campy disc groups cost a lot more than rim. Chorus 12 rim is only $1060.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Oddly, a guy in the UK who REEEEEEALLY hates Campy made a similar comment a few months ago. Even saying that Campy would be sold to SRAM.

First thing first... Campy is not going anywhere. They might not have a massive market share. But they own multiple manufacturing facilities in Italy and other countries including Germany and Romania. They are a BIG company.

Second, they have A LOT of money. The Campagnolo family, Campy and the bike division is tiny compared to what they own. They own so much real estate that if they sold the bike division, they could live happily for a 100+ years. They are doing just fine.

Third... LOOK AT THAT GROUP!!! It's beautiful. They crushed it. From the leaks to the extra time they had to the accessories they are offering. It's the total package. Compared to what Shimano and SRAM have in the way of 1x, Campy has it all. Yeah, SRAM has Zipp and Shimano PRO. Great. But Campy has the durability, the repairability, the looks, the options in the EKAR kit.

Anyways. My 2 cents but I think I'm right on the last one. First two, I know those for facts.

What he said. "Campagnolo is on the ropes" smacks of ignorance and wears me out.

Need to mention Campagnolo/Fulcrum wheel biz too. I think larger than many others, including Zipp...

Campagnolo has done really well at defining their market and pursuing it aggressively but cautiously. They are NOT trying to be everything to everybody..like Porsche and Rolex is not..They are a 'premium' brand. If ya want a $1500 road or MTB, look elsewhere. 'Market share' isn't their number 1 priority..Let the 2 's' brands beat each other up and race to the bottom...

Remember, Campag MTB and first gen index shifting(CDA, AB Chorus)?...Valentino was behind that stuff right after Tullio died and I think he remembers those mis-steps pretty well.
"2 years late"...guess some forget a maker who rushed stuff into production, used the consumer as beta-testers, and had not only had a BIG $ recall but also a warranty department awash with claims....conservative is good.

[Joel]

Even the clothing line is impressive.

And I just may have to get a new Campagnolo cap too...