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Tough call to just throw out such a bold statement of contempt when you don't have actual facts or a decent premise other than your opinion to back it up. Fireflys are great frames, I think, but I've only seen pics and haven't ridden one so then again, maybe they aren't...to me. But I'd never say they were a better build then say a top of the line Lynsky without riding them both. FF certainly have it in terms of "finish" but I don't ride the "finish", I ride the entire build. As individual as high end bikes are, especially custom builds it seems odd to have such a preconceived and demonstrative opinion of any certain builder. I always wondered about the allure of Pegs. I'd seen them but never ridden or owned one. That changed one day and not to long after that that bike left my stable because it wasn't so special after all. Blindfolded I couldn't tell the difference between it and my CDA, however, there was a big step up when I mounted the Strong. The paint part of the Peg "build" was certainly above the rest but the actual ride and welds were meh, no better, no worse than lots of custom steel in my stable. Anyway Jack, I'm just curious about your comment/thoughts since you've owned a lot of bikes, as have I and number of other forum guys, as to how you define "better build". KRhea |
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Steelman have been around for a long time I remember his adds in cycling mags in the early 80's he had an eye catching logo
If I were buying now it would be a Tom Kellogg frame ,I have always liked what he writes about bikes and I have never heard anyone say they did not love a bike he made for them . But that is me ,I know Steelman makes. a great bike with tons of expernce in it as well .But with a name like Steelman ,please do not make a ti frame IMHO Cheers and best of luck There is this guy that lives near me j. Greene that I would bet could build a bike as good as any around I would give his frames a serious look if I were buying he is one smart cat as The master would say
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If you think that Firefly and "others" make a BETTER bike you are up to your eyeballs in Kool-Aid Jack. It's all a matter of taste, sensibility, and who you want to give your cold hard cash to. What exactly did you not like about the build quality and ride characteristics of the Steelman bike or bikes you have ridden? |
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OK folks
My point is there's much better value in the market. I find it hard to believe based on what my butt has told me up to know that for what he charges that his frames are that much better.
I've drank some really good kool aid in the past. I know what favors i like now. I'm sure his frames are nice and all but I strongly feel that their priced way too high. I'm just voiceing my opinon. If you like his work and all then by all means jump in. It's all good.
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I am sure that Brent makes great bikes, although I have not had the pleasure of riding one. That said, you can get a kickass TIG welded bike from the likes of Erik Rolf (Alliance) and Carl Strong for the fraction of the cost of a Steelman. I can afford a Steelman but prefer to order from Erik and Carl and support their bikes.
All of us who post on this Forum have drank the Kool Aid to a certain extent. If we hadn't, we'd all be riding mid-range Cannondales and be perfectly happy. |
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I have never ridden on a Steelman frame.
But, it will be a very sad day when I tell somebody how they should run their business. And a even colder day when I tell somebody how to price their own work, when I know little about said business. I think a lot of bicycling stuff is way over priced. Look no farther than the top left hand corner of this forum. Not picking on them, just an example. People who I trust, tell me that Mr. Steelman builds very nice stuff. I think if he feels he can get that price for his frames and his customers want to pay that price, then good on him. |
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It's about point of reference. I think a Bugatti Veyron is overpriced. That doesn't mean there is not a market for it OR that it's not worth the price. All just a bunch of opinions, pretty worthless, but we are allowed to have one. We may as well say Super Record is overpriced, I bet the margins on that for Campagnolo are more than the margins on a Steelman.
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Trouble is, I can't afford it, no matter how I look at it! Because if money was no object, I would have a bunch of VERY pricey toys! |
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ps. I think its totally worth it and want one in lime metallic green with metallic orange accents.
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The Veyron is totally overpriced. An '82 Honda Civic will get you to the grocery store just the same in rush hour traffic. Better yet, Peapod or Freshdirect can arguably get food delivered to your door faster & cheaper than the all-in cost of car ownership and the associated trips to grocery store (not to mention reduced liability), so even the '82 Civic is overpriced...
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