I sure hope so.

The other question will be whether or not there are any criminal charges are well. GM just payed a massive fine for the ignition stuff, but as far as I know, no criminal charges. Let's hope they can pin something on the VW guys.

Ashley Madison

Dude, go drive the turnpike from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh and notice how the trees don't grow on the ridges. Go check out Bethlehem steel and look at the odd vegetation (or lack thereof). Emissions and acid rain are real. Acid mine drainage is as well. As are all the superfund sites. Your libertarian bent screws over the rest of us in ways not seen for a hundred years. Take your awesome diesel car and head over to China where air quality is carcinogenic.

They cheated and got caught. You are caught up in their cheating and refuse to acknowledge it.

Much easier to blame a politician than a brand you chose to believe in.

Give grawk a break, he's got more important things on his mind. Just wait and he'll tell us...

I drive a tdi and I hope these statements are true, but believe they are not. I would very much like to be proven wrong.

Good explanation. Thx.

Pretty sure it wasn't tdi engines that caused any of that. Burning coal with no SO2 or NOx remediation is a real problem.

Or any interstate/turnpike, better yet watch the news when there's a snowstorm that closes one or at night when there's construction and what will you see. Miles of idling tractor trailers and the very present smell of diesel fumes. Never bought into diesel being the cure all, 37 to 42 mpg every day of the week (my calculations not some live the fantasy numbers from a VW advert) in my "dated tech" '06 Honda Civic.

My mixed city/hwy mileage on my 2013 tdi SW has been consistently 38-42mpg for 40,000 miles. Am I sweated up about all above? Nope. Love my tdi.

I love my TDI. It's had the update and it performs the same. VW will be forced to cover the effected part for as long as I care about it. I hope it's not my last diesel vehicle. It's the effect on the marketplace that I am most concerned about.

I hope the following provides some useful information to help estimate how VW might handle warranty issues. It involves a somewhat similar situation with a series of Volvos (of which I owned one), albeit Volvo did not appear to have acted with intent to defraud EPA.

http://www.autosafety.org/1999-2002-...hrottle-module

damage control:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volksw...130056594.html

They're sorry they were caught is more like it, and now wishing they had done a better job disguising the naughty behaviour.

Really? GM=VW...didn't know anybody died because VWs emission gig.

Oh, nobody did.

Just because someone doesn't die in a fiery crash doesn't mean that the additional pollution didn't do any damage.

Damage from death or alleged damage from some TDIs emission part? To equate the GM issues and these is 'misguided', regardless of how serious those relatively small numbers of TDIs might be and their impact might be to you.

Peter, I'm not sure what your point it.

GM should have had more than a just a fine.

VW should have more than just a fine.

OT: VW cheating emissions on TDI vehicles
 

Yes, as with so many financial institutions that paid only a fine without so much as acknowledging any wrongdoing.

Increasingly it seems that if the rule for normal people is "commit the crime and do the time," the rule for the powerful is only "do the crime and pay the fine."

Deux poids, deux mesures.

Sorry, my bad in linking to the wrong article. The punchline is that Volvo extended warranty to 10 years or 200,000 miles. I suspect that something similar could be agreed to in VW's situation.

He has no point, he has a biased opinion as a tdi owner. Same as his opinion on campy and hand built wheels.

I too have a biased opinion when I use or own something I really like. I have a biased opinion that mike zanconato makes the best steel bikes period.

Or get a bail out and a big bonus

My point is the GM case that involved people getting killed is not the same as this about emissions equipment. One is heinous, the other isn't, imho.

True, and both need to be punished appropriately.

You are right about
-love my TDI...hopefully my last car
-I would rather walk than use Shimano and certainly never spam
-I will never own a 'wheelouttabox'..

Will Winterkorn survive Monday? I give him until Wednesday because getting the VW board together will inexplicably take them two days. He was already damaged goods. He's definitely out this week.

I find it amazing how many people are willing to excuse deliberate fraud by a company to fail to comply with a federal statute. I like VWs but this should be punished severely. Laws only matter if deliberate breaking of them results in significant punishment.

I agree....appropriately...

This is right on. I'm always amazed at how people seem to equate the things they buy with their core identity, but I guess that's what happens in a culture of consumption. For my part, I've loved my Sportwagen TDI, but I expect never to do business with VW again.

Did I mis something?

Has it been proven, other than in newspaper articles, that this actually happened?

yeah ceo apologized

From the Yahoo article linked earlier:
"We have admitted to it to the regulator. It is true. We are actively cooperating with the regulator," a Volkswagen spokesman said on Sunday"

Other Volkswagen news https://vid.me/YdCg

"We have admitted to it to the regulator. It is true. We are actively cooperating with the regulator," a Volkswagen spokesman said on Sunday.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volksw...130056594.html

Agreed 100%. This really is egregious, and quite rare in its scope and brazenness. Criminal charges against individuals would not be out of place.

I've heard suggestions that VW acted in good faith, but that appears to be BS because regulators have been asking very specific questions about varying emissions levels, and the company denied at length.

VW has announced an external investigation. German legislators are asking if similar tricks were used in Europe.

Sales on new models halted. I wonder what this means for owners. I do love the car and hope the fix (I assume there has to be one at this point) doesn't drastically effect the car. I could afford a loss of a few hp over the loss of mileage.

http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-tells...ars-1731923302

There won't be any performance impact of mileage impact - the NOx catalyzer is effectively a heated element in the exhaust pipe that traps specific exhaust particles. It's all downstream from the combustion chamber. The fix is to put a new program on, or "reflash" the engine management computer so the computer tells the NOx catalyzer to stay on all the time.

The only impact will be you'll have to replace the NOx catalyzer more frequently. Perhaps every 30-40,000 miles rather than never. But given this, consumers will never pay a dime for that.

stock market weighs in
 

Volkswagen's stock price falls 20%, follow the link: http://www.usnews.com/news/business/...emission-tests

Thanks, good to know.

Sales of new and used 4 cyclinder TDI's halted. This affects values. I imagine some lawsuits will follow. This mess will take a while to unravel.

But hey.....We have a orphan Mercury we inherited from my wife's Mom. Not worth much, so we just drive it.

I loved our 2013 Jettawagon TDI but we traded it in for a 15 Rav4 back in March ( more room for the baby). I am really surprised that VW would willingly violate the law like that. I wonder how high up the ladder that decision went?

OT: VW cheating emissions on TDI vehicles
 

I am confused. So if this has no impact on the performance of the vehicle then why did they turned it off and only to be on while tested for emissions?



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